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Josefbugman:
Ahhh, my one is at the same point.
I managed (just about) to be a casual guy in quite hardcore guild, I'm kind of enjoying it and it gives me the chance to see all the cool instances after they have cleared them :lol:
PizzaSHARK:
--- Quote from: clockworkjames on 01 Jan 2009, 05:25 ---I was looking at it from a tanks point of view, in that yes to but PvE tank gear with honour would be nice since the PvP gear can be obtained through spending time on it more than skill, there is no PvP gear or rewards that have def so as a tank PvP gear is useless for raiding. I know what you are saying how you can do PvE for PvP gear but not vice versa, no PvP gear is tank gear. NONE EVAR but some raiding gear could be used in PvP.
I need to raid :( Just did the Oculus and MAN that last dragon is a dick even with guild on vent, now to do some easy HC's for da purplz since all northrend instances are done.
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No, no, you're still missing the idea.
I'll walk you through it. Archavon the Stone Watcher is a raid boss. He is fought just like any other raid boss, and your tanks (and preferably rest of your raid as well) are wearing normal PvE gear - Defense Rating, Dodge Rating, Parry Rating, all that jazz. Archavon drops random pieces of Heroic (NX10), Valorous (NX25), Hateful (mid-range S5), and Deadly (high-end S5) gear. Thus, it's possible for people to get PvP gear (Hateful and Deadly pieces) without spending any time farming up honor and/or APs.
My point is that I'd like the inverse to be possible. I would like to be able to use my honor points and/or APs to buy Heroic (NX10) and Valorous (NX25) gear, and I don't see why it'd be unfair to do so. Say a Prot Warrior has 20000 honor and 500 APs left over, and is missing that one piece of his Heroic or Valorous set - why shouldn't he be allowed to buy it through the PvP system? They're already allowing people to kill raid bosses to get PvP gear. I think it's perfectly fair, and not only that, but a great idea.
--- Quote from: Alex C on 01 Jan 2009, 10:44 ---Frankly, I'd prefer they keep pvp as segregated from PvE progression as possible, but then again, my appreciation for WoW pvp hovers somewhere between zero and none.
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Why? Why would it be so bad to allow someone that's a huge fan of one way of playing use that way of playing so that he can at least give the other side of the game a shot?
In TBC, if you were a hardcore PvE fan, but at some point wanted to see what all the PvP stuff was about, you'd have to spend hours farming honor to buy the HWL/S1/S2 set available, and then use that set to earn APs, which you would use to buy S3/S4 and really be able to compete at a high level. Similarly, you couldn't really go into, say, Black Temple wearing your Vengeful or Brutal Gladiator set and expect to do very well, because itemization for PvP is often quite different from PvE (example, Holy Pallies focus obsessively on crit in PvP while mp5 and INT are also valued in PvE, and PvP gear has way more STA than anyone needs for PvE.)
Why shouldn't someone be able to use all that time spent in one game mode to get a start in the other game mode?
For the record, I don't like the idea of being able to get Hateful or Deadly pieces, which have PR requirements to buy, through drops, like they are on Archavon. But I wouldn't really have too much of a problem if you could buy a piece of Hateful of Emblems of Heroism (at, say, 60 to 80 emblems apiece) or a piece of Deadly with Emblems of Valor. You spent the time and effort to earn those badges... why shouldn't you be allowed to use them how you want to use them? The same idea applies with PvP currencies - why couldn't I spend my excess honor (let's say, 35k or so) on Heroic set pieces (the NX10 set) or my excess APs (let's say about 800-1200 apiece) on Valorous (NX25 set)? Are you trying to say that PvE gamers' $15/month is worth more than a PvP gamer's $15/month?
Alex C:
Because if good PvE gear is available through PvP, whatever raiding guild I throw my hat into the ring with will almost inevitably start requiring people to use PvP as a way to fill out any gaps in gear selection. This already happens to an extent, and I frankly, I'd rather avoid it if at all possible.
Also, I really don't give a shit what happens to PvPers.They're blizzard's problem, not mine.
clockworkjames:
Dude that is EXACTLY What I was getting from what you were saying, ATM you get PvP stuff for a PvE raid, You want to get PvE stuff for doing PvP ie. trading honour for PvE gear.
Take the res and AP/crit off PvP gear, add in Def and Dodge/Block and it's tank gear, just different set bonuses.
If they made a PvP set with Def/dodge/block and different set bonuses (Which they never would) It would be PvE tank gear.
Getting PvP gear from PvE is what there is, Getting PvE gear from PvP is what you want.
PizzaSHARK:
--- Quote from: Alex C on 01 Jan 2009, 22:55 ---Because if good PvE gear is available through PvP, whatever raiding guild I throw my hat into the ring with will almost inevitably start requiring people to use PvP as a way to fill out any gaps in gear selection. This already happens to an extent, and I frankly, I'd rather avoid it if at all possible. Also, I really don't give a crap about what PvPers think.
Also, I really don't give a shit what happens to PvPers.They're blizzard's problem, not mine.
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Don't worry, we feel similarly. I get annoyed every time they fuck with my talents and abilities because of some kind of PvE-related crap.
clockworkjames: I'm not talking about new sets. I'm talking about the same sets. Heroic Dreadnaught, Valorous Dreadnaught, that kinda stuff.
I still don't see why they wouldn't. Giving carebears access to epic ilvl 200 and ilvl 213 gear without making them spend the APs or get the PR requirements isn't any different from giving PvP fans tier pieces without them doing the boss/badge grinds. It's a double standard and makes absolutely no sense.
It's saying that carebears' time is worth more than PvP fans', and that's utter shit.
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