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clockworkjames:
I think they see it as skill over time spent, from the point of stuff like honour farming for instance. Pay someone to get you the honour for epix, but you cannot pay someone to do your HC's so easily.
Same reason they put in Island dailies, to stop gold sellers. It worked to an extent and the price of gold dropped like a lead balloon.
PvP gear = time spent (and skill for arena but you can still get sick gear from honour only, the bloo set)
PvE gear = Skill and time spent.
The worst WoW player in the world could get full PvP bloos, it would just take ages but they would not be able to get PvE gear if they really suck.
if you are good at PvP you get purplz faster, if you are good at PvE it will still take pretty much the same amount of time.
PizzaSHARK:
Actually, even the Savage Gladiator set (ilvl 200 blues, I call it S4.5) requires APs to buy. Granted, not many... about 200-300 per piece, so you're figuring a new piece every week or every other week. And that's completely ignoring the fact that Archavon allows people to get their Hateful and Deadly pieces - both of which have personal rating requirements to buy, some of which are quite steep - without having to do the "skill" part in the personal ratings requirements. I'm not sure how that'd translate to PvE content; maybe like downing Lootreaver and getting Illidan-quality drops? Something like that.
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Totally, completely disagree. I've seen plenty of terrible people at this game (I'm talking fuckin keyboard turners here) get carried by the rest of the raid and those idiots manage to walk out with some shiny new epics, or at least some badges to put them on their way to buying them.
No, farming honor doesn't take "skill", but it's honestly a lot of work. Saying that it isn't makes me think of people who've never done it before. I used to lead AV premades back in 2.x, and we made over 2000 honor per hour (about 600 per game, 15 minute games; about 800 per game on AV weekends), and it still took a long damn time to get the honor needed to pick up some of the more expensive things.
Getting APs is subjective. Anyone can lose 10 games a week. Maintaining a 1700+ PR to buy Hateful pieces can be difficult. Maintaining a 2100+ PR is decidedly difficult, certainly not any easier than high-end raiding.
I still don't understand how people think PvP is any easier than PvE at comparable levels.
Alex C:
--- Quote from: PizzaSHARK on 02 Jan 2009, 02:29 ---
Don't worry, we feel similarly. I get annoyed every time they fuck with my talents and abilities because of some kind of PvE-related crap.
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Man, do you have any idea what it's like being a PvE rogue sometimes? Narrowest class in the game, and there's like a mllion and one types of utility we will just never be allowed to have because zomg, we have stealth and stuns! Which would be fine, except those two things are genuinely fairly useless in group oriented content. Until they gave us Cloak of Shadows, we had no way of clearing harmful spell effects from us even after the fight was over. It's pretty annoying having a 2 minute disease on you that does negligible damage but still keeps you from stealthing. Of course, I'd suppose it'd feel even worse if stealthing actually appreciably increased your DPS at all. Besides, even when we did get Cloak of Shadows, the first thing that happened was an epic bitchfests from PvPer mages and warlocks. While their complaints weren't entirely unwarranted, as a PvE rogue it's frustrating since such an ability is more of a luxury item than a truly powerful new ability., even if it it is kind of nice when it keeps you from eating an really nasty boss AOE.
clockworkjames:
Gonna agree to disagree with you there, althought shitty players can slip through 25 man raids, as a tank or healer you will noticce who is doing truely badly with only a little observation, they will most often get pulled up on it and kicked or disciplined.
The thing about farming honour is it can be sold for real world currency, PvE gear cannot. There is no services from those damn goldselling powerlevellers to get you raid gear, but there is offers for honour farming. Blizz do not like that so the quite rightly do alot to stop it.
Yakob:
I watched my dad do a raid last night (Naxx25). This was first exposure to any sort of raiding at all and I gotta say, that shit is intense. I don't know if I would have the discipline to that sort of hardcore stuff though. Plus the scheduling would most likely get in the way of school. That being said, my dad stayed 6th in DPS pretty consistently the whole night and won the roll on his T7 chest, so that was cool.
Here he is if you want to check him out.
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