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clockworkjames:
I am happy to say that I never get rage starved anymore. I love it.

Ragebeast! I can get uncrittable if I swap out my good helm for a not so good helm, or the tempered cobalt lv76 one...

But fuck that tbh, new trink I got an hour ago is SICK for def, just gonna need to put a socket and yellow def gem on my next purplez gloves whatever they may be.

Thanks for all the help guys, appreciate it! The point will be unspent until I am sure of what to do or forget it is there and accidentally click on something.

PizzaSHARK:

--- Quote from: thegreatbuddha on 09 Jan 2009, 03:20 ---
--- Quote from: PizzaSHARK on 08 Jan 2009, 21:16 ---Low DPS will mean low TPS.  You really need to read up at Tankspot and Elitist Jerks, because it seems like you're somewhat misinformed about how tanking works in 3.x.

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BS. My 61 protadin hits for around 200 white damage/ 1.8 speed, and I crit for around 300. I never lose aggro. Sure, I'm spamming Holy Shield and Consecrate, but I consistently place lower than everyone except the healer on the damage meters. If I use Seal of Light and Judgement of Light, I occasionally place below the healer in DPS.

DPS=/=TPS

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You'll generate more TPS if you use Seal of Corruption/Vengeance.  What you judge is up to you... if your DPS is mana-heavy, judge Wisdom.  If it's not, judge Light.  Occasionally judge Justice if you're concerned about runners (though I honestly can't recall any runners in LK instances.)

Doing decent DPS while tanking does not mean you are a poor tank, nor does it mean you're not doing your job.  It's very possible for the tank to place third or even second above less-than-optimal DPS, especially if you're AE tanking.  This goes double for DK and Pally tanks, because your only realistic target cap is how many mobs your healer can keep you alive against.  It's similar for Warriors and Druids, but they're still marginally weaker in terms of AE tanking, though not by much.

For some reason, people seem to think doing DPS as a tank is bad, when it's pretty much exactly the opposite.  The Defense enchant on your shield is less powerful than a Stamina enchant or the upcoming shield plating if you've already reached the softcap.  If your healer(s) are not having issues keeping you alive, then it's in the raid's best interests for you to generate more threat, which in turns allows your DPS to step it up.

Tanking was changed for LK, in that now a significant portion of your threat comes from damage dealt.  Moves with threat modifiers (like Shield of Righteousness and Revenge) are still plenty important, but the amount of raw DPS that you put out is now very important as well.


--- Quote ---Incite or impale?
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Both.

thegreatbuddha:

--- Quote from: PizzaSHARK on 12 Jan 2009, 21:13 ---You'll generate more TPS if you use Seal of Corruption/Vengeance.
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--- Quote from: thegreatbuddha on 09 Jan 2009, 03:20 ---My 61 protadin
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--- Quote from: thegreatbuddha on 09 Jan 2009, 03:20 ---My 61 protadin
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--- Quote from: thegreatbuddha on 09 Jan 2009, 03:20 ---My 61 protadin
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PizzaSHARK:
So use Seal of Righteousness then.

Alex C:
Yeah, that still doesn't really change anything about the entire threat-damage dynamic.

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