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Weather Channel founder wants to sue Al Gore
RedLion:
Correcting a person and telling the facts is completely legitimate, especially when he started off in a somewhat belligerent manner.
Johnny C:
I just wanted to know which cartoons he found amusing because I couldn't pick the funny one in there out of a lineup. He gave reasons, I'm satisfied.
Leonidas is talking out of his ass, though. Sorry, Leonidas. You are talking out of your ass.
Leonidas:
--- Quote from: RedLion on 12 Aug 2008, 20:58 --- The burden of proof is on those who are trying to prove a positive--that something does exist. And it's been proven that the earth is warming, and that it's "90 percent" certain, according to the IPCC, the world-wide panel of scientists who are the most well-renowned, well-respected, learned and proven in their fields. I'm fairly certain you may say "But it's called the International Panel on Climate Change! It's so obviously biased!" The Panel was set up and comprised of mostly scientists who had no vested interest or formal opinion on the matter to conduct intensive analysis of continual streams of data and experiments.
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But yet it would seem the temperature of the Earth globally has actually dropped over the past 12 months.
http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm
But yet you say that it's simply a proven fact and it's "90 percent" certain. Putting it in quotation marks doesn't make it true however. Neither does the link I posted. That's the whole point, the debate isn't anywhere near finished.
And as for the scientists that do support the global warming theory, to say they have no vested interest is false. A good number of scientists and lab's are government funded. There's a vested interest straight away.
--- Quote from: tommydski on 12 Aug 2008, 17:49 ---You could form a club with Leonidas though. Or some kind of right-wing situation comedy. Leinad & Leonidas. Writes itself.
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Oh, and so now I can simply be disregarded as right-wing because I dare to question what I'm spoon fed by governments whilst they raise green taxes and force ever more harsh financial penalties on people all in the name of global warming.
--- Quote from: Johnny C on 12 Aug 2008, 23:10 ---Leonidas is talking out of his ass, though. Sorry, Leonidas. You are talking out of your ass.
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--- Quote from: Leonidas on 12 Aug 2008, 07:57 ---Anyone who now questions this idea of global warming and your carbon footprint are deneyed as modern day heretics.
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And thank you to tommydski and Johnny C for proving my point.
And before anyone else starts. I never suggested that the human race down to an individual person shouldn't take more responsibility for it's actions. Of course people should. Reduce, reuse, recycle and all that good stuff. It is simply good sense. I'm in no way suggesting that people should be reckless and careless with the way they live their lives and what they leve in their wake. The sheer arrogance of the politicians/musicians/actors etc to put the responsibility for any change in world temperature squarely on our shoulders though it beyond a joke. The world has gone through so many drastic changes in temperature throughout it's long long life. Long before we were even emerging from a swamp in Africa. To think that we can in any way stop the Earth from going through its natural cycles is idiotic. If every factory, plane, car, etc stopped today and never produced another drop of CO2 the world will still carry on regardless.
Johnny C:
No, seriously.
I was going to say something about this in the last post but I figured you wouldn't be silly enough to focus on the point so here it is: Earth cooling down does not rule out climate change. Whether it gets colder or warmer is irrelevant as long as that change is caused by us. Jesus Christ. And have you even read past the headline of the article you linked to?
--- Quote ---Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.
Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.
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So that doesn't rule out CO2's harmful effects and it doesn't even rule out that we're fucking up the planet.
Incidentally, twenty years doesn't prove dick in terms of global warming. The Hadley Centre, responsible for the image in the article you linked, made this helpful image showing temperatures from about 150 years ago to a few years ago:
Here's a composite of temperatures culled from glacial records dating back four hundred years:
Please note the periods of warming and cooling that are then superseded by the century-long period of extreme warming that is unparalleled in the half-millennium before it and neatly coincides with the invention of things like the automobile.
And who is being fucking spoon-fed by their governments here? The American and Canadian governments have both pulled out of Kyoto and proven non-committal at best on the subject of climate change. I can't speak for everyone in this thread but having looked at a bunch of the research and approximately zero cartoons on the subject by noted ignoramuses Cox & Forkum that I have come to the conclusion on my own that humanity is doing its best through massive consumption of resources to ruin this planet's environment, that climate change is likely happening because of it and quite frankly CO2 might be a red herring compared to all the other shit we dump into the earth, air and oceans and therefore we should be tremendously fucking concerned and maybe rethink the way we as a society deal with our planet's resources. I came to this conclusion on my own.
I've already said it but I'll repeat it, you're talking out of your ass, and I'm not saying that because you disagree with me. I've been in plenty of disagreements on this forum and they don't necessarily involve someone talking out of their ass. You're talking out of your ass.
Tom:
H20 in it's gaseous state is also a relatively strong contributer to the greenhouse effect and once things start getting hotter, they keep getting hotter and hotter. It snowballs, so all we can do is just prepare for the storm and learn because, what we're experiencing is the combination of cumulative effect of human "progress" and earth's normal environmental/meteorological trends.
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