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ba ba da da i need help with my girlfriend
jhocking:
Personally, I have no problem with someone asking a question like this on an internet forum. I find jon's argument that a person asking this question in a public forum should be prepared for scorn rather disingenuous, since he's the main one heaping on scorn.
My main beef with the OP has nothing to do with the question, it's the fact that following the question his posts conveyed a rather shitty personality. As in, I have no problem with the question, I have a problem with him.
For reference, if you skim over the first page again, note that it isn't until halfway down that I decided I don't like the guy. Prior to that, I was actually defending him.
Edith:
--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 20 Aug 2008, 13:48 ---
I'll post the thread once I've got a few tentative positives from the people I want to answer the questions.
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Yeah, I'm in. Like, tentatively. You know.
Aimless:
--- Quote from: jhocking on 20 Aug 2008, 13:50 ---My main beef with the OP has nothing to do with the question, it's the fact that following the question his posts conveyed a rather shitty personality. As in, I have no problem with the question, I have a problem with him.
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Well yeah, but it's not exactly a surprising reaction when you treat a kid like that, esp. not on a forum! I prefer to see how a person can be at his best (or at least not at his worst) before passing judgement. Can you imagine how a stranger would judge some of your friends here on QC if they only had this kind of thread to go on??
--- Quote from: Anyways on 20 Aug 2008, 13:41 ---I don't like him - not because he's a newbie or because he's young, but because he seems ignorant, calls things "gay" with negative connotations and just doesn't seem to actually contribute with anything. I know that is an asshole thing to say, but read through his older posts and compare to, say, Ally's or Sam's or Liz's, and decide for yourself who you'd want to stick around.
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And that's another thing I tend to avoid, irl as well as on forums!
If it were up to some people, I wouldn't have stuck around on QC for very long either :p
I don't expect anyone to go out of their way to defend someone who actively hurts or antagonises others without provocation, but I think it's good to try to turn a bad convo into a better one. Okay so he's an obnoxious kid--does that mean that we can't engage him? Teach him better posting, over time?
Although I suppose it would be preferable if the arrival and integration of a newcomer never required any effort on the part of the community.
Scandanavian War Machine:
in Joe's defense, the kid really is sort of a douche.
he came into some other thread a few weeks ago, i believe, and immediately said something like "i'm fourteen. i'm awesome" and everyon was kind of like "...okay. whatever." and then he started acting like a jerk because...i don't know...we didn't instantly approve of him? it was ridiculous, anways.
from what i've seen so far, that's just how he is and we can't be held responsible.
also, he might even be a very subtle and slow-working troll. i'm not really sure.
StaedlerMars:
Guys, this thread was turning in a very interesting direction when Tommydski started talking about internet philosophy and the direction threads can take depending on who gets the first post.
I wish I could philosophize enough to push it further in that direction, because well, I thought it was very interesting. As far as I'm aware, most threads that are declared 'awesome' by one of the long time members through out the thread, are usually threads that are hijacked at one point or another, and often are the result of some ridiculous statement, or some assholery.
Sadly, this discussion wasn't pushed, and we are now again laying blame and defending people because of /for their actions.
PS. Tommy, I think that's an excellent idea for a thread. That along with the blog thread should probably keep those help! threads limited to one place.
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