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Atheist Penelope
jtheory:
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--- Quote from: JReynolds on 12 Feb 2009, 09:11 ---This thread has drifted a LONG way from strip 1295. However, I saw something that brings this thread right back to its roots: From Penn and Teller's show Bullshit, a quote:
Penn Jillette: Sure, we're smug, self-righteous, pompous and self-important assholes, but damn it, we're right!
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if you're right i think it is okay to be a douchebag about it as long as you're not also a dick
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Wait, when is douchebaggery ever a good thing? Are you using the standard definition?
I guess I'd say your attitude all depends on how you want to influence the people you interact with. If they just say "ah: dick" and don't even bother to think about what you're saying, you aren't making the world any smarter -- you're just annoying it (and maybe making it not want to be associated with you and your ilk).
Of course, knowing how to actually get people to rearrange their worldview isn't so simple. I can't say I really know; I just have a long list of things NOT to do.
Mr. Doctor:
--- Quote from: Dotes on 14 Dec 2008, 21:23 ---Or am I just a crazy person who gets offended by nothing?
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No offense man... But I aim for that one. It was kind of a mild way to critice Penelope if you ask me. Nothing too harsh.
In my humble opinion... Fanatics that bother you knocking on the door and atheists that love to throw shit at people who believe in god are just in the same level. Penelope wasn't that extremist though. But I fail to see any reasons to why she get pissed on Will's thoughts about God.
I'm an agnostic. I discuss with Atheists in the same level when I discuss with religious people. Because we, humans... didn't have, don't have and never will have enough technologic and winsdom to declare if God exist or not. We just THINK there's a God or not. We don't know.
danman:
I will throw in my analysis of this since i can relate to this question , and i think i understand very much the reactions of the characters - Jeph was not forcing a personal opinion there IMHO, but actually letting the characters behave as they really would.
The problem is that both Penny, and Dora are unreligious, or so it seems, but they come from different base.
Dora seems to have been raised without too much fuss about religion ,so for her (and people like her) God does not exist in the same way Ded Moroz, Baba Jaga, or unicorns do not exist. Therefore it is no big deal for her, she can go along with people of other opinions better, and cannot understand the fuss raised about it.
Penny on the other hand (like myself only with some differences) came from a religious background, was indoctrinated about this from an early age, and rejected such teachings because of her own intellectual effort (ie. is an apostate). Therefore, she tries to enlighten everyone else, since she has a feeling that all of religion is horrible nonsense (that is why she switched). Also , she probably knows the logical arguments against it, so that makes it doubly compelling.
I had similar experiences myself, with others who were atheists from birth (in my country they are not so rare as we were a socialist republic in the past) could not understand how it is so important for me that god does not exist , since to them the idea of somebody actually believing in such stuff was incomprehensible. I on the other hand feel compelled to discuss with anyone who asserts a different opinion.
benji:
I don't see how anyone can doubt the existence of God in the face of the miraculous resurrection of this thread.
MrMonk:
--- Quote from: danman on 14 Jul 2009, 10:53 ---Penny on the other hand (like myself only with some differences) came from a religious background, was indoctrinated about this from an early age, and rejected such teachings because of her own intellectual effort (ie. is an apostate). Therefore, she tries to enlighten everyone else, since she has a feeling that all of religion is horrible nonsense (that is why she switched). Also , she probably knows the logical arguments against it, so that makes it doubly compelling.
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Or her atheism could be the result of an emotional reaction to having religion pushed on her.
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