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Atheist Penelope
KeepACoolin:
--- Quote from: Surgoshan on 28 Jul 2009, 19:09 ---
--- Quote from: KeepACoolin on 28 Jul 2009, 10:05 ---Mind you, I will not demand or even (at this point) suggest that you adopt that view. I just remind you that the potential stakes are quite high.
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Nonsense. Before you can remind me about stakes, you have to convince me that there's even a game. I've yet to see any evidence of such.
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The "game" is merely the existence of the universe. I include atheism as a wholly valid resolution- what I mean to say is that the question of the existence of God, whether it results in an answer of yes or no, is one of high importance.
KeepACoolin:
--- Quote from: chronoplasm on 29 Jul 2009, 15:31 ---Now, I'm an atheist, but I often find myself questioning...
...and wondering...
...if maybe Thor and Valhalla really exist.
My soul could be in peril! If the Nordic beliefs are true, and I don't die gloriously in battle, I could be doomed to wander the underworld for all eternity!
On the other hand, if it is true, and I do die bravely as the Vikings once did, then perhaps the Valkyries might take me to drink and revel in the golden halls Valhalla until the battle of Ragnarok at the end of time.
I can't prove that the Aesir don't exist, so maybe I should join the ARMY and go die in a foreign war, just to be on the safe side.
*edit*
...if it's not true though... then no harm done, right?
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My point is that the question should be confronted. You have already confronted the question, and decided in the negative. Okay. My point is that the question should be confronted.
Also, @jonarus, I don't mean by "confronting the question" that you need to decide for your entire lifetime. And again, the attitudes you espouse suggest that you already hold an atheistic worldview: obviously if Yahweh exists (to be somewhat more specific), His existence is the most important thing in the universe and to say that coming to believe in His existence would not change your life is to either be absurd or implicitly atheist.
And I don't mean to be rude, but I don't find your philosophy "heady" at all. I think it is a common attitude and one that, again, presumes the nonexistence of God. By making the claim that humanity's freedom of individual choice is the supreme value, you are already assuming that God, at least as described by the Judeo-Christian-Islamic faiths, is not real. Otherwise, the existence of an omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and eternal being would by default be the most significant fact of existence.
jonarus_drakus:
Meh, perhaps. As i recall tho, "God" is supposed to be extreamly supportive of Free will and all that...
My only remaining point (on a personal level) is that i could be convinced of the existence of God, i just cant be bothered to ask the questions that would be neccisary to get a satisfactory answer.
KeepACoolin:
" i just cant be bothered to ask the questions that would be neccisary to get a satisfactory answer."
And that's exactly where I think you go wrong. Well, in any case, I am now done with this conversation- it's starting to get redundant from my perspective. By the way, that was not supposed to be rude or insulting.
chronoplasm:
--- Quote from: KeepACoolin on 29 Jul 2009, 18:09 ---
My point is that the question should be confronted. You have already confronted the question, and decided in the negative. Okay. My point is that the question should be confronted.
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You keep asserting this point, but I'm not seeing much of an argument to back it up. ...Except for the whole threat of damnation thing, but look:
There's an infinite number of possible hells I can be damned to for an infinite number of possible gods I don't believe in. None of them can be disproven. None of them can be proven to be more likely than any of the others.
If I throw my lots in with any one, it's a total crapshoot; any god I chose to worship could be the wrong one and then I could be damned.
If I throw my lots in with all of them, I might still be damned.
If I don't throw in my lots with any of them, I could still be damned.
No matter what I chose, the odds are most likely that I'm damned.
Any answer I can provide to this question is just a shot in the dark. The odds of hitting the truth are practically nil, but if I miss I'm fucked.
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