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KeepACoolin:

--- Quote from: cerement on 29 Aug 2009, 12:43 ---
--- Quote from: KeepACoolin on 29 Aug 2009, 12:26 ---... as it is impossible to ever disprove the existence of God (how exactly would you go about proving that there can be no invisible, incorporeal being whose existence is independent of the material universe?) and probably just as impossible to ever prove that He does exist ...
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Unless we find a Babel fish ...


--- Quote from: Douglas Adams ---'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
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Just stay away from zebra crossings ...




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Huge win.  http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PuffOfLogic, if you haven't seen it already.

gingernotninger:
The concept of god/s at the least, is faulty. i'mnot exactly an athiest but i do realise that god is real but only in the context of the human mind

Delirium:

--- Quote from: KeepACoolin on 29 Aug 2009, 12:26 ---I don't see how you can claim that C.S. Lewis can "fail logic forever"
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He formulated the "Liar, Lord, or Lunatic" trilemma. Therefore, he fails logic forever.

chronoplasm:

--- Quote from: KeepACoolin on 29 Aug 2009, 12:26 ---B.)  I don't see how you can claim that C.S. Lewis can "fail logic forever" when it is clear that atheism itself requires a leap past logic: the only position that can be 100% based on logic is agnosticism, as it is impossible to ever disprove the existence of God (how exactly would you go about proving that there can be no invisible, incorporeal being whose existence is independent of the material universe?) and probably just as impossible to ever prove that He does exist.  Essentially, the only completely rational position to hold is agnosticism, with gradations in it- that is, you might be an agnostic who is virtually sure that there is a God, or an agnostic who is virtually sure that there isn't.  Either of the absolute positions, theism or atheism, requires a step beyond logic.  But I think that anything worth doing does.  Don't get me wrong, I think atheism is, in itself, a better position to hold than agnosticism.  But that is not because I believe it to be more rational.

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An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in the existence of god, not one who claims that there are no gods.
I think you will find that most atheists don't so much assert evidence against gods, but assert that there is so little evidence in favor of gods that the possibility isn't worthy of consideration.

KeepACoolin:

--- Quote from: gingernotninger on 31 Aug 2009, 15:55 ---The concept of god/s at the least, is faulty. i'mnot exactly an athiest but i do realise that god is real but only in the context of the human mind

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Fallacy.  You presuppose that there can be no such being as God.  That is the only scenario in which it can be said that God can be "real in the mind" but not elsewhere. 

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