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Atheist Penelope
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--- Quote from: Pypoli on 02 Sep 2009, 02:53 ---Right. And again, i should worship her why?
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Because she can be a royal bitch and she doesn't like being ignored. :-D The first time she got snubbed, she started the Trojan War ...
KeepACoolin:
--- Quote from: Delirium on 02 Sep 2009, 00:05 ---You still haven't specified why belief in Yahweh is different from belief in any random pagan god, or even one made up on the spot.. The depiction of god in the bible is a patently ridiculous one. Anyways, Yahweh had its origin among many other gods in the land of Canaan.
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My point is that the belief in a fractured-divine cosmology is inherently weirder and more childlike than a belief in one God. The creation of many gods simply introduces another level of being within the universe, whereas an omnipotent creator God at least attempts to explain the origin of the universe. And to be honest, the "Yahweh comes from Near Eastern paganism" argument has holes. In any case, I am once again done with this thread, and this time I'm going to (hopefully) stick to that decision.
danman:
How is 'god came into being and created a universe' a better explanation than 'universe came into being' ?
Alex C:
--- Quote from: Pypoli on 02 Sep 2009, 01:18 ---Agnostics, refuse to believe in any Religion, which is a huge difference. An agnostic accepts the fact that there probably is a supreme being, a God in some sense that created the universe at some point. However, they do not accept the dogmas of any religion, Christianity, Islam, whatever, they believe them to be wrong. They believe in a god, but revere him in there own personal way, without seeking guidance from more enlightened people.
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Nope. Agnosticism is simply the stance that you don't know if there is a god. It's a very wide umbrella and a lot of different stances stem from that basic statement. For example, there's weak agnosticism, in which people say that is possible for there to be a god but that nobody has ever proven it. There's also strong agnosticism, in which people state that the existence of a god is inherently unknowable since we are natural beings and god would be a supernatural phenomenon. There's apathetic agnostics who wonder why we even waste our time on this shit. There's even people who could be described as agnostic theists, who are like strong agnostics in the sense that they believe it is empirically impossible to know if there is a god yet they continue to believe anyway (think Kierkegaard). What you're talking about is just flat out unaligned theism.
Dliessmgg:
--- Quote from: Delirium on 02 Sep 2009, 00:05 ---You still haven't specified why belief in Yahweh is different from belief in any random pagan god, or even one made up on the spot.. The depiction of god in the bible is a patently ridiculous one. Anyways, Yahweh had its origin among many other gods in the land of Canaan.
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I don't think there's a difference between Yahweh, Allah, any random pagan god or one made up on the spot. Everything said about them is a lie, it doesn't matter if it's said by a believer or a nonbeliever.
--- Quote ---you're really going to say yahweh is real but odin or zeus isn't, because? polytheistic cultures actually just created gods for different aspects of their daily life, things they couldnt explain. So there's thunder and lightning we have a god for that. In egypt there is flooding of the nile that gives us life, so we have a god for that. In more ways then one this is more logical then one god doing it all, as it makes them less omnipotent and thus closer to human. Believing in an invisible god (or in an old bearded man in the sky, you pick) is really no different from believing in a jackalheaded, hawkheaded, hippoheaded, ... god.
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Anthropomorphic gods are simple projections. Xenophanes of Colophon satirized this perfectly:
"The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black,
While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair.
Yet if cattle or horses or lions had hands and could draw,
And could sculpt like men, then the horses would draw their gods
Like horses, and cattle like cattle; and each they would shape
Bodies of gods in the likeness, each kind, of their own."
Egyptian gods with nonhuman heads are projections of different skills and attributes on animals (like in fables).
C.G. Jung would say the bearded old man is a manifestation of the teacher archetype similar to Obi-Wan (orig.tril.) or an old Kung Fu master of a cheesy Eastern film.
I think a monotheistic god is more logical because of the ontological argument of Anselm of Canterbury. To me, it doesn't prove that there is a god, but for certain views of god it proves that his inexistence is unthinkable. I'll quote wiki because of my lazyness:
1. God is something of which nothing greater can be thought.
2. God may exist in the understanding.
3. It is greater to exist in reality and in the understanding than just in understanding.
4. Therefore, God exists in reality.
I the end, i'll go with Thomas Aquinas:
"All that I have written seems like straw to me."
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