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Atheist Penelope
danman:
--- Quote from: Dliessmgg on 02 Sep 2009, 11:51 ---
1. God is something of which nothing greater can be thought.
2. God may exist in the understanding.
3. It is greater to exist in reality and in the understanding than just in understanding.
4. Therefore, God exists in reality.
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I realise that this is not your view , but i will comment anyway.
This argument is also flawed, since thinking of something does not make it reality. I can also think of an perfect banknote (paper cash) in my hand, which has the property of existance, yet it does not make it real.
But this is the essence of the previous argument, since it only goes on to prove (albeit strangely, since i do not see how existence has anything to do with greatness) that a necessary property of the concept of a god must be existance, and leaves on the reader to wrongly assume that this makes the concept exist ie be real. In the same way one can imagine an existing unicorn etc.
Dliessmgg:
The only flaw I see is that i haven't rewritten 4. as "Therefore, it's unthikable that god doesn't exist in reality".
The argument is valid is because of the definition of god it uses. If you define god as a geezer who sits on a cloud and papparazzies you taking a shower, this argument doesn't apply. The same for a perfect banknote, the pink invisible unicorn, etc. etc. etc.
danman:
--- Quote from: Dliessmgg on 02 Sep 2009, 13:25 ---The only flaw I see is that i haven't rewritten 4. as "Therefore, it's unthikable that god doesn't exist in reality".
The argument is valid is because of the definition of god it uses. If you define god as a geezer who sits on a cloud and papparazzies you taking a shower, this argument doesn't apply. The same for a perfect banknote, the pink invisible unicorn, etc. etc. etc.
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But it boils down to the same. Essentially you define something with a necessary property of existance, and then you assert that it must exist by virtue of its definition, such as a perfect god or a real unicorn.
The flaw is the same - your thoughts and definitions have no impact on reality - what existed would continue to do so even without you, and you cannot make something appear simply by defining it as existing.
Also - by existing, i mean manifesting itself in some clear, and verifiable way. Even if your god existed in the sense you jut described , two things could happen A) he would verifiably manifest by some phenomena, then that would be a proof, and the argument is redundant, since better ones abound (like the guy who distinguishes his twins by the fact that the black haired has a pigment mark on her cheek while the blonde one does not)
B) he would not manifest in any such way, and not affect the material world in any way consistently attributable to him, then i am not the least interested in such existance, and for all practical means he does not exist, because such an existance is an empty statement, it implies nothing about the world
cerement:
1. God is such that there is nothing better than God.
2. If you're starving, a peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich is better than nothing.
3. Therefore a peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich is better than God.
gingernotninger:
--- Quote from: cerement on 02 Sep 2009, 18:45 ---1. God is such that there is nothing better than God.
2. If you're starving, a peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich is better than nothing.
3. Therefore a peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich is better than God.
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that is because we are sure a penut butter and jelly sandwich exists while god is still in debate.
if god is real and beliefs in him are corect he created (well the ingredients etc. anyways) the penut butter and jelly sandwich which means god is stil beter than the penut buter sandwich. yet if god is not real a peice of gravel is better than him unless god is the reason why the starving person can force him/her self can continue in wich god is the driving force yet that would be the human mind creating the thought so the human mind in this situation is better than or at least equal to god.
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