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tania:
thanks for posting!

BrittanyMarie:
Tania, to clarify I wasn't saying that you did. I am saying no one did. I don't think. I've been kind of paranoid over misreading things lately for some reason; I'm genuinely like "wait. what?"

RedLion:
Again, why do people even care?

tania:
sorry, this post will also seem like a bit of a tangent but i promise there's a point -

there are many different subtypes of feminism but two that are well known are liberal feminism and radical feminism. there is much more to both of them than the simple bits and pieces i am about to provide here but liberal feminism essentially focuses on eliminating institutionalized sexism through legal and political reform, operating under the assumption that women will seek and assert equality with men once they have the freedom to do so, whereas radical feminism says society and gender roles are all constructed in such a way that male supremacy and male interests are the norm and society basically needs to be reconstructed completely otherwise women are going to continue to be exploited because the patriarchal society they live in has socialized them to not even realize they are being exploited. so liberal feminism, essentially, says women have free will whereas radical feminism does not so much, due to the way it claims women are socialized.

so you can take that, and you can apply that to this situation and get really angry about it in all kinds of different ways depending on what perspective you take. do the girls working there have free will and the right to exercise it, or are they really being exploited and not realizing it because of the sexism that is just so inherent in every part of our society that we don't notice it anymore and think it's just the way things are? i am still not sure where i stand on this issue, i think i am maybe leaning more towards the liberal side but that maybe provides some explanation as to why some people may be upset by this even though the girls seem to be choosing to work there on their own, and also how you can still be a feminist and be okay with it but also be a feminist and not be okay with it. there are also many other subtypes besides those two.

Jace:
I have one problem with many (but not all) of the feminists (or women preaching feminist ideals) I have met:
They want to be treated equally until it doesn't benefit them.

Now I know this isn't true of all women who believe in those ideals, I've met quite a few really cool feminist people. I've just had a problem with what I imagine is a small group of them, even though it feels more like a vast majority.

That said, I probably wouldn't go to a coffee shop with scantily clad girls. First of all, I think they'd feel like I was constantly hitting on them even if I was just trying to make regular conversation, probably because if they are attractive they would get hit on a lot. Hell, I get the feeling the girls that work in the coffee shop at the hotel I'm at feel that way too. (I really do not want to do anything other than be friends with them. I swear.) Also, I do not drink coffee, tea, or any of the stuff you can buy in a coffee shop.

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