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Oh, Sven ...
benji:
--- Quote from: SrMeowMeow on 06 Feb 2009, 11:33 ---I'm not sure what to make of it either. I feel like maybe it's wrong of me to think that (somehow) but it definitely colors my thoughts. If I read a lesbian comic with lots of sexual thoughts from the female protagonist, I would be pretty uncomfortable to find out it was drawn by a man. Somehow that feels pornographic in the hands of a man in a way that it doesn't if it's drawn by a lesbian. Is that wrong? I'm not sure. I'd feel the same way about a comic that contained lots of explicit thoughts and experiences about a male protagonist if it was drawn by a woman, by the way. It seems like vicarious exploration of fantasies rather than something honest. This is obviously more extreme than how I feel about QC sometimes, but I'm just making an argument.
I'm really not sure how I feel about my opinions on this, but I do hold them pretty strongly. I'm happy to debate them, though, and I'm also happy to change my mind.
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Ok, so you're not comparing today's QC to Lesbian Pirates from Outer Space. You're comparing the latter to some hypothetical comic that is about lesbians but drawn by a man. It seemed like a strange criticism for today's comic, given that it was about straight sex (which is presumably a topic that a married heterosexual man would have some knowledge of) and written from the man's (Sven's) perspective.
zeku:
Jackie Blue, also just for the record, I thought it was already clear that the drama setup is what you took issue with. And that's fine. Some people want the story to stay static and comfortable, others do not.
What I take issue with though, is the apparent accusation that if the storyline becomes dramatic and emotional, that the creator is somehow a sellout. There is a subtle line between disagreeing with where the story goes, and suggesting that it indicates some kind of moral failure on the part of the artist. You're on the wrong side of it.
To call the direction he chooses to take pandering is to say it has no true artistic merit, which makes me wonder why you follow it.
I have never seen any evidence that Jeph chooses storylines based on the desires of the audience. Your evidence for it seems to be merely the fact that you don't like today's strip and happen to be in the minority on that topic. I can respect your opinions about the content of the strip, but not your opinions about the motivations of the artist -- nobody can know the mind of another.
Jackie Blue:
I didn't say that Jeph has "sold out", I just think that he has been increasingly writing to his new audience instead of his old audience.
Old audience: Indie rockers in their early-mid 20s.
New audience: Teenagers who think the bands mentioned in the strip are made-up.
I'm fine with story progression, I just think that it looks to me like the strip has become more of a job to him - because it literally is, unless his wife pays all the bills, which I don't think is the case.
A lot of strips over the past couple years have looked to me like someone who is writing something but thinking in the back of his mind that he'd really rather be writing something else. I'm not sure he ever wanted QC to turn into as much of a soap opera as it has now. Especially given how bad he is at writing arguments (see: Dora vs. Marten recently). That micro-arc was truly painful to read, because it managed to be both uncomfortably accurate and wish-fulfillingly inaccurate at the same time.
zeku:
Fair enough. Our semantic problem seems to be the word "pandering." It has stronger connotations than I think you intend, connotations that in my mind make it synonymous with selling out.
Let's just call it a language barrier.
TheDozarian:
--- Quote from: Jackie Blue on 06 Feb 2009, 12:21 ---Old audience: Indie rockers in their early-mid 20s.
New audience: Teenagers who think the bands mentioned in the strip are made-up.
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Thanks Jackie... Now I feel friggin' old (33)... And I'm new audience... lol
As for the person who joined just to rant... Whether you read it again or not, your opinion matters very little when you lack the fortitude to stand by your convictions. I'm not going to get into whether I agree with what you said or not, but the manner in which you said it and attacked the other members of the forum was unacceptable.
The forums are a place to discuss that which concerns us. Whether you agree or disagree with the comic or Jeph or anyone else for that matter, the point is DISCUSSION. THAT IS ALL.
lol
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