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[themacnut]

Say goodbye to Pen-Pen folks, she is SO fired.

[Shadic]

Well, it's confirmed conclusively, Dora does not, in fact, have laser beam eyes. We know this with metaphysical certainty because Penny's head is still intact, no energy beam having punched into her face, and out the back of her cranium.

Laser beam eyes? (I was actually working on this while you posted that.)

WARNING BAD PHOTOSHOP.

[snubnose]

if the former, then it is her fault.

She modified the deal a while ago. And Sven still kept keeping up with her. He could have left at that point instead. Plus, he obviously knows that Faye wont be happy with what he did.

Bluh, that was pretty mean of Penny.

Thoughtlessly speaking your mind isnt mean, its just unsensitive.

[SexRaptor]

Good on Penny - it's not her job/responsibility to make Faye feel better about her bad decisions.

[PassiveTheory]

Admit it, you laughed when you read Penelope's line. If not, you're fooling yourself and need to take Steel Magnolias out of your fucking DVD player.

[Doug S. Machina]

Holy crap, Penelope. Open mouth, insert foot up to thigh.

Love the expressions.

Another fascinating avatar, Tybalt.

I like the new design on Jeph's twitter. It reminds me of "Re: Your Brains" by Jonathon Coulton.

WARNING BAD PHOTOSHOP.

  Good work.

[Bendal]

Penelope isn't saying anything that a lot of the readers have already said.  Faye thought Sven would change just because she was using him for sex?  Not hardly; sure he regrets hurting Faye, but that didn't exactly stop him from screwing someone else, now did it?

Faye needs to sit down and think about what she wants out of her life; right now she's got a shell around herself and doesn't let anyone inside.  She went to Sven for sexual relief, but wouldn't let him inside the shell any more than that, and even tried to set boundaries on their relationship without talking to Sven first.   She's ruining herself emotionally by doing this (didn't her psychiatrist say something about being involved with Sven?), but I don't see anyone she knows being able to help her the way she needs.

[Schmorgluck]

What made this one great was the LOLing liberty at the end in the awkward moment

I'd agree, with an objection: I don't think it's Liberty. I'm not sure, but it looks very much like Hera to me.


Anyway, what Penelope said is pretty similar to the "I told you so" Dora sensitively abstained to tell.

It wasn't a good time to be sassy. Where the hell did she take all this sassiness from?

Wait...

[Malek]

Damn Penny fucked up here.


As for that photoshop with the Eyebeams

Epic,i loled

[Thaes]

I dunno whether those eyebeams even needed to be shopped into that last panel. I wouldn't be too surprised if Penelope spontaneously combusted out of sheer terror.

I know I would.

[Taigan]

Uh oh.  Dora's "No" look.  Penelope messed with Dora's "No" look.

[daerlyn]

This is the first time Dora's made that face where I actually think it's justified. Keeping your snark to yourself until Faye's in a mindset to appreciate it is not the same thing as enabling her bad decisions. She knows it was a bad decision, and right now she needs time and sympathy to help her absorb that and move on.

[Uniquitous]

Pen has a point.  It's like the fable about the croc and the scorpion.  To wit, Faye knew he was Sven when they hooked up.  What did she think was going to happen?

[Kalibur]

Have to echo many, many sentiments about the brilliant facial expressions.

I don't think Penny was trying to be honest/brutal, *or* mean about it. I think she just midjudged how much Faye was upset until after she said it.

[mister mime]

haha, dora's face made me laugh.
and come on, you knew faye had to get that reaction from someone, right?

[wargrafix]

looks like we'll be seeing lots of "lets make faye feel better strips".

ohhhh, poor faye....didn't realize when you date a pimp you might have to deal with other women?

*insert some serious sarcasm here*

[Mallli_kite]

Waitaminute -- when did I miss the part about Penny and Faye being friends?  I thought they'd just moved up to not constantly trying to stab each other with sass, maybe to mutual semi-civility...I mean, Faye had no problems pointing out Penny's potential problems with anything and everything.  When did they move to being, like, friendly?  I totally missed it.

That said, Penny obviously could use a little more "think before you speak" training.  The situation was fairly transparent.  However, she did bring the humor.

I'm really wondering what Sven is doing right now.  Gah.  I mean, is he already moved on?  Is he actually paralyzed with "omigodI'mashit" regret and remorse?  Is he writing a new song?  Is he working up something in the way of an apology or an explanation?

After all, despite the shock and horror of her dad's death, what bothered Faye the MOST (or at least what kept getting emphasized) was the lack of reason for his death.  Maybe if Sven comes up with an explanation, even a "Yeah, I did it,I am an ass,  but the sex was rotten, and I kept thinking of you, that's NEVER happened before."  it might, if not bring sunshine and rainbows, give Faye a little less self beating ammunition. 

I imagine Dora going over to Sven's to administer a beating, and finding him depressed, upset, and otherwise not disagreeing with all her name calling.  She is stunned, and goes back to Faye to say "What did you do to my brother?  He's NEVER been like this after breaking up with a girl before."

It's nice in my world.  Flowers and chocolate chip cookies and good vodka.

[Border Reiver]

There\s a time for honesty and there's a time for support and there's a time to remember that even if you don't like the person, rubbing salt in the wound and pouring on the vinegar and iodine mixture is just being nasty.

And despite what we say here - what would you say if it was someone you knew, not necessarily a friend, but someone you knew?   Would you come right out with the, "What did you expect?"

And how would you feel in Faye's position?

[Matrix]

I lost track... Who's turn is it to clean up the blood?

[lolwut]

i still don't get why people are calling sven a dick

i mean if he'd said that he'd be exclusive then sure, but he was completely honest about his sleeping around

maybe it's because i don't have sand in my vagina

[raoullefere]

That poster portrays a  statue of Athena Nike, or Victory (I think that's what the crown means); (slips into Chairman Kaga voice) if memory serves, it sat at the hand of the great statue of Athene in the Parthenon. Anyway, the poster's been up on the CoD wall ever since Dora redecorated a few months ago for them , years for us.

I freely admit I laughed at Penny's comment, and still do when I look at the strip again. As I said before, Faye deserves the same amount of consideration from Penelope that she's given out. Of course, if we all got what we deserved, 'twould be a hellish world, I fear.

I, like others, also fear that Dora will find Sven morose enough that she will refrain from giving him an ass-whuppin', which he probably needs on General Principles. But I don't think she'll round on Faye for that. Dora's more likely to hold a victory celebration. Or she would if she wasn't so nice. As she says, "I would never." Which is why Marten's unlikely to dump Dora—it's easy to overlook flaws in someone who's got a heart like that.

[Mallli_kite]

I don't think Dora would "round on" Faye -- I think she would come back amazed and in awe of Faye's Sven taming powers, stunned at being able to say such things.

Ok, so that's Nike back there?  I'll have to go stare at it some more.

[Bendal]

Faye needs to get serious about addressing her emotional problems.  Right now her friends are just enabling her to keep going on without changing, and when suddenly someone who she was using turns out to be the kind of person everyone told her he was (and he told her too so she knew), she gets the sympathy?  No way; she brought it on herself.  She goes to Sven when she wants to, and expects him to be available whenever SHE wants sex, and requires him to be monogamous in the deal?  She might as well buy a vibrator since that's what she's treating him like.

If anything good comes out of this, hopefully it will be Dora and Marten sitting her down and telling her "Look Faye, you're running away from confronting these things inside you; Sven is a symptom of that.  We're here to help you but you've got to want to do this yourself."

Otherwise, I don't see how Faye can continue on with this kind of internal torment.  

[PassiveTheory]

This is the first time Dora's made that face where I actually think it's justified. Keeping your snark to yourself waah. Waaaaaaaah waaah wah wah waaaaah waah waaaah waaaaaah waaaah waaaaah.

Fixed.

[Heranje]

Out of all the whiny "waah Faye waah Sven" posts this plot arc has generated, you pick on that one?

People baffle me.

[roxy255]

i still don't get why people are calling sven a dick

i mean if he'd said that he'd be exclusive then sure, but he was completely honest about his sleeping around

maybe it's because i don't have sand in my vagina

ha. i kind if agree.

[Heranje]

Just because he was honest about being a jerk, doesn't mean he's not a jerk.

Obviously, that means Faye is at fault as well, for expecting him to be anything else than what he very clearly said he was -  and she seems to realize this.

[QuarterFire]

Love Dora's "pissed" face.

[sandysmilinstrange]

I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for Faye here as well. Her disappointment is very well-drawn and all, but she has twice said no to "something besides sex" hangouts with Sven (unless I'm miscounting) and seemed very opposed to seeing him in any other setting. She is the one who pumped the breaks on moving it to something more serious and he clarified not so long ago that he doesn't feel obligated to her. I understand that her feelings are hurt, but I don't feel like this is a situation where everyone should walk on eggshells around her. Penelope could have been more sensitive, but I don't think she was being mean.

[teh pwn queen]

Dora's angry face is fantastic and I am pleased.

[Mr. Skawronska]

I agree. There is no way Faye will go to Dora right now...Dora hated this relationship from the beginning. She knew it was a bad idea and threatened Sven because of it. Faye won't want to go tell Dora that she was right. Faye will want to turn to Marten, the first person she opened up to since her father's suicide. Assuming she does go home, it's probable that marten won't be there as Jimor pointed out. She'll kick herself for passing Marten up and push away from Dora even more. There's going to be a spew of emotions on all character accounts here, real soon.

Stop it; I'm almost too drunk to drive and I'd need more alcohol for that.  I'm thinking Bacardi 151 or some Mount Gay.

O dear.  Sure enough, she went to Dora.

I think Jeph is trying to kill me with alcohol poisoning.

Or laughter.

Whichever.

Time to go shopping.

While I'm sober.

Thanks again, Jeph!  You're my hero.

S

[SavannahGirl]

oh no it looks like dora is going to burst into flames and kill penelope x.x

[PompeytheGreat]

OHMYGAWD. Dora's face in the last panel is my new favorite thing ever!

[tragic banjo]

Almost everyone here seems to be operating on the assumption that monogamy is inherently good.  I'm not saying it's bad either, but it's one relationship choice among many, all with their pros and cons, and yet people act like monogamy has been objectively proven to be the absolute best.

And heeeeere come the pretzels.

[SexRaptor]

Almost everyone here seems to be operating on the assumption that monogamy is inherently good.  I'm not saying it's bad either, but it's one relationship choice among many, all with their pros and cons, and yet people act like monogamy has been objectively proven to be the absolute best.

And heeeeere come the pretzels.

That 'IS' the standard operating procedure. Taught and encouraged as we grow up. Are you really surprised people think that way?

[Mallli_kite]

Almost everyone here seems to be operating on the assumption that monogamy is inherently good.  I'm not saying it's bad either, but it's one relationship choice among many, all with their pros and cons, and yet people act like monogamy has been objectively proven to be the absolute best.

And heeeeere come the pretzels.

Well, I wouldn't say that it's the BEST -- it's what works best for me.  Tried it other ways, and it's just too much work.  Monogamy takes up all my energy.  I know poly families that work great, and others that are nothing but ongoing drama.  Of course, I know monogamous families in both conditions as well.  Nothing is an absolute.  Monogamy is just more familiar, and most people tend to gravitate toward the familiar without thinking about it much.  There are a lot of social pressures for the poly person, too, which can make it a harder choice.

I don't think the characters in the comic are really in the right place mentally or emotionally for a poly relationship.  

What kind of pretzels?  Can I have a pretzel?  

[Rocketman]

Almost everyone here seems to be operating on the assumption that monogamy is inherently good.  I'm not saying it's bad either, but it's one relationship choice among many, all with their pros and cons, and yet people act like monogamy has been objectively proven to be the absolute best.

And heeeeere come the pretzels.

That's cause we ain't some kinda scarlet woman.


In any case, I can't hate Penny for this, because that's pretty much what happens to me: no filter between thinking it and saying it.

[tragic banjo]

I'm not surprised, no, just noting the question-begging that tends to come up in conversations.  Just like I'm not surprised that people (OK, Americans) think that capitalism and democracy are inextricably linked, but that's a discussion for my political philosophy class.

Oh, and as for the pretzels, that's a Simpsons quote that worked its way into my lexicon for situations where I've expressed a minority opinion and expect a backlash.

[Mallli_kite]

Darn, and I was hoping for pretzels.  I skipped lunch.

You've stated a minority viewpoint, but I don't think it's lash worthy.  It's as valid as others around here.  I just don't see this group of characters arriving at any workable web of relationships given their particular desires, issues, and backgrounds (in particular, I think it might give Marten scary moments vis-a-vis his mom).

I think of polyamory as coming from a mindset of abundance, monogamy as from a mindset of limited resources.  Both are valid, but the conditions must be right.

[Schmorgluck]

That poster portrays a  statue of Athena Nike, or Victory (I think that's what the crown means); (slips into Chairman Kaga voice) if memory serves, it sat at the hand of the great statue of Athene in the Parthenon. Anyway, the poster's been up on the CoD wall ever since Dora redecorated a few months ago for them , years for us.

Ah, thanks, it's been bothering me several hours today (including a lot of research on Google images). I was pretty sure it was a Greek goddess, but by the posture and the attire I could only think of Hera (my knowledge on the matter being sketchy). I don't know why I never asked myself the question until today. I think the first appearance of the poster was in that strip.

[demency]

Almost everyone here seems to be operating on the assumption that monogamy is inherently good.  I'm not saying it's bad either, but it's one relationship choice among many, all with their pros and cons, and yet people act like monogamy has been objectively proven to be the absolute best.

And heeeeere come the pretzels.

You know, it's funny, but I didn't notice anyone here having a discussion on the positives and negatives of monogamy vs. polyamory, which makes your desire to leap in and attempt to turn this into a discussion on the merits of poly kind of.... conspicuous. Particularly since Sven would have to be just about the worst possible role model you could pick for polyamory, since his pre-Faye MO was to meet girls, sleep with them, lie to them, vanish, and find someone else to bang. Recall the time he tried to get Marten to lie for him.

[BryanP]

Almost everyone here seems to be operating on the assumption that monogamy is inherently good.  I'm not saying it's bad either, but it's one relationship choice among many, all with their pros and cons, and yet people act like monogamy has been objectively proven to be the absolute best.

And heeeeere come the pretzels.

It has nothing to do with whether it's the right thing or the wrong thing, merely whether it's the agreed upon thing.  If two people agree upon an open relationship that's one thing.  If they agree on monogamy and one breaks that rule they shouldn't be surprised when the other gets upset. 

[Kugai]

We all know that Sven is an asshole when it comes to women, and Faye made it clear about how she felt about the 'Relationship' right at the beginning, but what some people are forgetting is the Timeshift that has occured between now and then.  Several months have now gone by, and despite it all, they're still together. 

This indicates to me that, despite Faye knowing Sven's past, she and he have formed some level of coupleship.  This makes Sven all the more an asshole in this as he knows that he's in some sort of monogamous relationship with Faye and Faye has come to see Sven as something more than 'The Weekly Lay' that she started this in.


I will give Sven kudos and high marks for actually having the stones to actually admit it to Faye himself before she inevitably found out in other ways.   I like the way Faye handled it when he did tell her too.  It's all to easy to imagine her going Klingon on his ass at that point (Sven knew that too, hence the cringe) but the way she handled it by walking away before she blew her stack shows she has gained a certain level of maturity.




Oh, and Penny's funeral will take place next week.

[Mallli_kite]

We all know that Sven is an asshole when it comes to women, and Faye made it clear about how she felt about the 'Relationship' right at the beginning, but what some people are forgetting is the Timeshift that has occured between now and then.  Several months have now gone by, and despite it all, they're still together. 

This indicates to me that, despite Faye knowing Sven's past, she and he have formed some level of coupleship.  This makes Sven all the more an asshole in this as he knows that he's in some sort of monogamous relationship with Faye and Faye has come to see Sven as something more than 'The Weekly Lay' that she started this in.

Kugai, I don't usually like to disagree with you, because you're usually right on with your interpretations, but this time I can't agree.

The discussion where Faye made the conditions known to Sven was in comic 1307.  In 1309 she and Marten have the comparative relationship talk where she calls Sven an asshole and herself a bitch.  In 1319 (judging from clothing changes, about 6 days worth of QC time, maybe a full week) Sven and Faye have a discussion about 'cuckolding" (love that word) and either later that day or the next came the news about Gina Riversmith playing on "Saturday".  So, stretching it out to say a full week passed between 1319 and 1343, that's two weeks since the "You sleep with someone else and I'm gone" talk and the confession in 1341 (which would make the day of revelation a Sunday ).  I'm also pushing out the time -- it could have been as little as 8 days total.  The Marten/Faye drama took place in a single day in between those points, as did the Hannelore flu thing, but those took up a lot of the comic.  In between that time Sven and Faye met when Sven came in for coffee, and that's all we see.

So I can't agree that the Timeshift thing is really in operation here, at least between those two points.  For the time leading UP to 1307, yeah, I think you have a good point, and some sense of coupledom might be blooming, but that conversation in 1307 sort of ruins that, at least for me.  I don't think Sven had any idea of being in a couple until he was actually with Gina and not enjoying it much for thinking about Faye (what a time to have the revelation!)

I will give Sven kudos and high marks for actually having the stones to actually admit it to Faye himself before she inevitably found out in other ways.   I like the way Faye handled it when he did tell her too.  It's all to easy to imagine her going Klingon on his ass at that point (Sven knew that too, hence the cringe) but the way she handled it by walking away before she blew her stack shows she has gained a certain level of maturity.

Totally agree with that.

Oh, and Penny's funeral will take place next week.

Bwahahahah!

Also, the very fact that I can pull up comics like this -- AND WILL -- indicates I really need to get back to grading papers and, I dunno, not obsess about this comic so much.  Jeph Jacques, give me back my brain!!!!

[ModernRonin]

This makes Sven all the more an asshole in this as he knows that he's in some sort of monogamous relationship with Faye and Faye has come to see Sven as something more than 'The Weekly Lay' that she started this in.

I really pity you (and even more so, your SO) if you base your relationships on "he/she SHOULD HAVE KNOWN x".

Don't get me wrong, I do wish I was psychic. But I'm not. And ye gods, do people who treat me as if I am somehow able to read their mind drive me abso-fucking-lutely insane.

"You should have read my mind and known/done X" is grounds for instant dumpage in my book. The very first time a girl pulls that on me, I walk. It's the number 1 sign of a stupid, immature little princess/bitch. Nobody, male or female, should ever get away with that bullshit.

[Blackcat Moebius]

I was almost more amused by Faye's face than Dora's in the last panel.  And Penny's 'uh oh' look is good too.

*squints*  Faye is indeed crying in the first panel.  At first, I thought her 'blubbering' comment seemed like an exaggeration.

[tragic banjo]

I never actually mentioned polyamory and have no desire to turn the thread into a debate of merits, I just wanted to point out that Sven's decidedly nonmonogamous nature and his assholery (douchebaggery, shiteatery, what have you) do not necessarily go hand in hand.  No denying he's an inconsiderate asshole toward most women, but being in a monogamous relationship wouldn't automatically change that, anymore than sleeping around explicitly requires someone to treat their partners shittily.  Sorry if it seems "conspicuous" that I "leapt in" - I mean, it's not like that's my first post ever, thus making it seem like I registered solely to make that comment...

[Heranje]

Randomly came across this while zapping channels today, and it reminded me of Sven and Faye, though it doesn't fit entirely (Sven never said he loved Faye)

Still, I found it amusing.

[Rimwolf]

Malli_kite, you're overlooking the big time jump between 1310 and 1311.

[Kugai]

Mallli_kite, the Timeshift I'm talking about is seasonal

If memory serves, when their initial discussions about their relationship takes place, it's still late summer  Que 1311, and we're into winter, which gives me an impression that Jeph has Timeslipped us forward a couple or two months and, despite it all, the two of them are still together.