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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1400 on: 13 Jul 2009, 02:59 »

Hi Kieffer,
Dude you are making excuses. It is a thing everybody does, but ultimately a thing that just prolongs a situation that isn't working. You're describing a relationship that doesn't fit your needs or newly realized expectations, and also a situation whose desired outcome (Kieffer + sober GF, winter 2009???) is entirely out of your control. Liking someone a lot (even a lot a lot) and having some mutual feelings doesn't always mean you are on the same page. She is totally not on your page, like even a little bit. She is reading the back of your cover and going Oh yeah looks like a good book I will totally buy this book (taking out her wallet to pay, she is thinking, I am probably not even going to read this, why do I buy books and never read them it is such a waste of money okay but maybe I will read it over summer vacation God why is it such a long fucking book and it looks like kind of a downer, maybe I will read Harry Potter again?) and then maybe she reads the first few chapters. I don't really know how to resolve the book metaphor, but it kind of sounds like a messed up situation. I hope all is figured out and happiness is found, Kief.

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Yesterday a forty-something married man struck up a conversation with me in line at the grocery store, then proceeded to follow me out to the parking lot and flirt with me and ogle my breasts. I found the whole incident really depressing: in the past two years, I haven't met even a single guy who has wanted to take me out on a Date, but apparently all guys, age 18-40, relationship status irrelevant, are totally interested in ogling me or getting me drunk or hooking up. I am not asking you guys How to Get a Date. Here is my thing: I feel like I have built up so much cynicism about guys because of my own personal experiences and trust issues, and I am worried that my own cynicism could get in my way if a nice boy does come along (or maybe even hurt me in attracting nice boys). My questions are more along the lines of: How do I get over said cynicism? Is the cynicism worthwhile/merited, or mostly exaggerated in my own head? Are there things I need to avoid doing so married men stop following me around in parking lots.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1401 on: 13 Jul 2009, 04:08 »

I dunno 'bout you, but for myself, I've found it helps immensely to feel that I can deal with things going wrong, or with things not working out, or with an eventual betrayal of some sort, whatever. That even if something shitty happens, and it sucks for a while, I can handle it.

Why should your cynicism stop you from doing things such as putting yourself out there, if you know you can manage the risks?

EDIT: Or stop you from giving a new guy a fair assessment :o

Your personal experiences may have made you cynical and reluctant to invest in things like relationships, but would I be entirely wrong in thinking that they may also have prepared you for some bad things?

I dunno, I can only speak from my own experience. I feel that the very things that made me a fraidy-cat, the things that gave rise to my problems with trust and with intimacy, have also given me the ability to manage those difficulties. This may or may not be applicable to your situation =P

I admit it's still hard not to have too low a threshold for some things.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1402 on: 13 Jul 2009, 04:20 »

I generally just make a point of not getting into conversations with guys 30+ because ogling is ALWAYS their plan and that's just not ok.
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« Reply #1403 on: 13 Jul 2009, 04:35 »

to be fair, you can say that about most guys in their 20s as well.
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« Reply #1404 on: 13 Jul 2009, 04:38 »

Yeah but the old ones know there isn't a chance of anything else, so they just get their kicks by staring and making you feel really really uncomfortable
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« Reply #1405 on: 13 Jul 2009, 04:44 »

Uhm, I'm confused. I know a lot of girls my age who're in relationships with men that're 30+... I'm not saying there aren't guys out there who're just about the ogling, but...
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« Reply #1406 on: 13 Jul 2009, 04:46 »

What is your age though? At 21, there is no way that I would be in a relationship with anyone older than 30
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1407 on: 13 Jul 2009, 04:54 »

I'm twenty-three! And I'm wondering, what's the magic line? Barring that dictated by the XKCD creepiness rule.

I mean, I find myself interested in girls between 20 and thirty, although I'll admit I probably won't get into a serious relationship with a thirty-year-old simply because the ones I've met have tended to be ready to really settle down and start thinking about having children.

Is that true for 30+ men as well? :o
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1408 on: 13 Jul 2009, 05:06 »

I generally just think that a guy over 30 who is cruising for girls over ten years younger has some problems with comittment and maturity that I really want nothing to do with.
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« Reply #1409 on: 13 Jul 2009, 05:13 »

Ah, okay, now that I understand!

Hmmm. Poor girls who look for older men expecting the exact opposite :(
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1410 on: 13 Jul 2009, 06:48 »

with regards to overcoming cynicism, i am not sure exactly what advice to offer in this area except that i don't think you, or anyone, ever really fully gets over that. entering a new relationship and trusting someone is never going to stop being scary and risky, but that's also what makes it special and exciting in the first place.

if you find a boy you like and you are worried about messing it up, try your best to always, always be open and honest with him so he knows exactly what you want. while this might sound crazy, it is also extremely important to trust people who care about you and give them the benefit of the doubt if they ever do anything to hurt you because they deserve a chance to explain their side of things. people fight and disagree in relationships all the time, but very few people actually set out to deliberately hurt people they care about because what's the point? you just end up with a really angry person who then ends up hurting you back. hurting someone by accident is not the same thing as deliberately hurting someone, and the former is something that can almost always be overcome by just being as honest and open as possible so that you both learn from it. also, after being hurt it is often really easy to feel like said person doesn't care about you because you're going "man what the hell, they should have already known that would hurt me" but it's not obvious to them, it's only obvious to you. people can't read minds, they just do their best. think about it from your perspective - if you liked someone, would you rather have to continuously guess what did and didn't make them happy, or would you want them to just be upfront and tell you? you can do the same thing with people you are involved with too and just cos they couldn't completely figure you all out by themselves doesn't mean they don't care about you.

what it boils down to is that what you will probably end up interpreting a lot as boys hurting you is just them trying their best but getting it totally wrong a bunch of times, and forgiveness and understanding is pretty important in this department or else you will definitely feel like a cynical victim forever because let's face it, a lot of people in relationships have no clue what they're doing. there will always be people who will try to use you, though, and unfortunately you will have to figure out on your own who the people who care about you and the people who are just using you are. there aren't any easy answers for that, just your own judgment. sometimes boys are dicks, but sometimes girls (as a result of constantly hearing that boys are dicks, probably) are also overly defensive and accusatory toward boys who they think are terrible inconsiderate people but really are just a little oblivious and trying their best. however, if you are comfortable with discussing anything at any time, and also with swallowing your pride and listening to someone explain their side of things even when you are hurt and angry and don't particularly want to, that will make things much easier in the long run.

this post is a bit of a mess because i had a lot of ideas i wanted to put in here but they didn't all fit and so i just really messily trimmed it all down. sorry about that. hopefully there's still a couple of useful tips in there somewhere.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1411 on: 13 Jul 2009, 06:56 »

You hit the nail on the head, speaking of giving people the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1412 on: 13 Jul 2009, 07:24 »

Tania I think I love you.

Everyone listen to Tania.
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« Reply #1413 on: 13 Jul 2009, 07:29 »

I try not to listen to Tania or else I fall hopelessly and breathlessly in love with her.
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« Reply #1414 on: 13 Jul 2009, 08:10 »

okay i'll come clean, a huge chunk of that actually came indirectly from "the ethical slut" which is a really great book on polyamory and open relationships i have been reading.

it's really good! even if you are not in an open relationship, it has lots of really valuable lessons and exercises in being honest and open and trusting and forgiving with people you love. it's really excellent. everybody should read it. that is also my relationship advice.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1415 on: 13 Jul 2009, 08:18 »

I've actually wanted to read that book for a few years now.  I feel like at this point 85% of it will be "well, duh" moments for me, but at the same time it'll be really cool to watch the author do a better job than I could at explaining a lot of stuff I think is really important but don't know how to say quite as well.
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« Reply #1416 on: 13 Jul 2009, 09:27 »

I don't know how to reply, except to say that I woke up and had coffee and read your post and basically want to just go back to bed and cry, because that is totally it, I do not feel like I have the capacity to be in a honest and trusting relationship, at all. I called myself cynical in my original post, but it is sort of a weird thing, because cynicism is kind of an anticipation of bad events, and I have never actually correctly anticipated any of the ways boys have hurt me in the past. So I maintain this kind of angry, cynical wall on the outside just to hide how horribly afraid and insecure and naive I actually am, and I end up walking on eggshells when it comes to admitting to someone that I have my own needs or expectations, because I am so sure that doing so will irritate them and push them to drop stuff with me and leave. Which is actually a horrible thought to have about yourself, that saying something like "Maybe we can date?" would cause irritation in somebody else, but also if I am honest with myself it is totally what I believe, and I really have trouble imagining how someone would want to be in a relationship with me, at all.

This post is sort of a mess and I'm stopping because I sound really pathetic and also feel really terrible.
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« Reply #1417 on: 13 Jul 2009, 09:38 »

Tania is right, though. No one can read your mind, and on top of that, we all have certain things we think everyone else SHOULD know or do or think like or whatever. These are mental distortions that get lots of people in trouble, and when you know about them you can start to understand how to work past them. Specifically, people who suffer from depression and anxiety disorders have a whole lot more of an issue with these, because of how we internalise things and overthink them and try to read between the lines. There is a book called The Feeling Good Handbook, which is super out-dated and old so don't pay any attention to the treatment or drugs sections at all either unless you are a sociology student doing a study or something, but he puts it really clearly and succinctly and is very helpful.

And you know, even though I know about these hangups and I know how to get around them, that doesn't mean they just go away! They are pretty deeply ingrained in us, I think. Anyway, my boyfriend has a nasty habit of changing plans or changing his mind at the last minute and not telling me, or making plans to do something that doesn't involve me and not telling me. Usually it is something like going to stay at his mom's house for the weekend, or going to Savannah for spring break, or whatever. Even though we have talked about the fact that this bothers me because I need to be able to schedule things out and make sure everything I want to do for the day can actually fit inside one day, and because fucking up my plans throws off my whole day, he keeps doing it.

Most recently he decided to make plans to spend his day off hanging out with a friend from high school. He didn't say anything about it, of course, and so I decided that, since he hadn't made any explicit plans, he was probably going to chill out at home all day, and I figured I could help him with this project he has been working on and maybe we could work in that picnic he wanted to do over in the park a while back. Of course, when I asked him what he thought about all this that day while he was getting dressed and eating "breakfast" (at 3pm), he said he already had plans with Lindsey and that he had to go. I was miffed, of course, but I couldn't really complain because I myself had waited until the last minute to ask him what he was doing, so I putzed around cleaning and playing old video games and reading a book all day. However, when 4am rolled around and I decided to go to bed, and he wasn't back and I hadn't heard from him, I got slightly more upset. And then the next morning when I woke up and he was there, he had just got to sleep when they came in around 8 and had a big blatant hickey right on his neck (above his work-shirt collar, oh boy). I kind of got mad*. The best part? When I told him why I was angry he was completely baffled.

I finally realised that I had this notion in my head that he should be behaving a certain way and thinking in a certain manner. It finally became clear that this just wouldn't happen! I explained to him that it made me angry and hurt my feelings when he forgot to take me into consideration like that and went off without a word. I had to tell him that it felt like he was blowing me off, and like I didn't matter at all. And yeah, I felt like I was talking to a moron by spelling it out like that, but it just hadn't occurred to him to do otherwise. He hasn't had time to fuck it up (or not) again yet, but I think this time he may have got it.




*We are in an open relationship, see, and usually I do not care what he does, but hickies are kind of obnoxious and it was just kind of icing on the cake.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1418 on: 13 Jul 2009, 09:45 »

Ok so I was going to post that before Clara got in, but I got distracted re-reading the wiki article on cognitive distortions.


Clara, to be perfectly honest, I don't trust people. Ever. I am not sure if it is "trust issues", because I rely on people and tell them my feelings and form relationships with them and expect things from them. But I am pretty sure it is founded, at least intellectually, but maybe psychologically, in the fact that my dad died when I was so young. It's largely a survival strategy, and when I think about it I just can't think of a good way to refute it. I don't trust people to be around forever. I don't even trust them to be around tomorrow. When they are, it is pretty cool! But you can't rely on someone else to be there for you or to do something for you when they can't even guarantee it themselves. And they may not run away from you or abandon you or any other of the horrible things that people often do to each other, but they will die. So one way or another, eventually everyone will be gone. Of course, this stops mattering when you die, because your expectations and the things you want to do and accomplish are suddenly a moot point.

So basically what I am saying is that in spite of that, you can still put yourself out there. You can still love people and have experiences and live. It is hard, but it isn't impossible. Don't give up on yourself yet, because we are all broken in one way or another.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1419 on: 13 Jul 2009, 09:46 »

I'm pretty sure a lot of people think of open relationships as "you get to love and care for me and I can do whatever I want without regard for your feelings because we're in an open relationship".
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« Reply #1420 on: 13 Jul 2009, 10:21 »

So I maintain this kind of angry, cynical wall on the outside just to hide how horribly afraid and insecure and naive I actually am, and I end up walking on eggshells when it comes to admitting to someone that I have my own needs or expectations, because I am so sure that doing so will irritate them and push them to drop stuff with me and leave.

Clara, what you're saying sounds like ...

"If I want my relationship to succeed, I need to make sure my partner doesn't know about all the things about me that I don't like."

This is kind of a clunky way of putting it, but what you're talking about is a very, very common mindset.  In fact, EVERYONE thinks this, to some degree.  This is an easy way of saying "everyone has secrets."  There is not a single human being on this planet who is genuinely proud and open about literally everything they are and have done.  Sadly enough, it is completely standard and par for the course in our current culture.  Take a look at basically ANY movie or TV show relationship and you will find this absolutely everywhere.  Most romantic comedies are entirely based around some "hilarious" scenario in which two people (who may or may not initially feel antagonism towards one another) come to learn truths about each other in a fashion that initially threatens (and sometimes doesn't even end up strengthening) their budding relationship.  We are CONSTANTLY being told, from every direction, that letting your guard down and telling someone about your real self is more likely to break a relationship than make it.

My belief is that ultimately, if you feel this way about yourself, it's not your fault.  I mean, how many times have you seen (or read) a character in an entertaining and seemingly realistic portrayal of life say "If so-and-so finds out such-and-such about me, they'll hate me!" or some such nonsense?  It's impossible to avoid being exposed to this trap.  I personally find it very hard to imagine the parents who could successfully raise their child to approach young-adulthood without being afraid of using honesty as their first option.

If you can look at yourself and your life and see a pattern of self-defeating strategies (and it looks like that is exactly what's going on), give up on your strategies.  They're not helping you.  Focus on what you actually need and desire.  Make mistakes trying to fill those needs and desires, because that's the only way you're going to learn (a) what they REALLY are (because almost nobody is actually right about what they really want on their first try), and (b) how you can reach a point where they're fulfilled in a sustainable way.  Don't be afraid of screwing up, driving people away, making yourself look stupid, taking risks, or getting into something way over your head.  Your life would never get better if you never did any of those things.

I'm pretty sure a lot of people think of open relationships as "you get to love and care for me and I can do whatever I want without regard for your feelings because we're in an open relationship".

Honestly, the way I've approached open relationships recently has been more like "I like this relationship because I get to love and care for you, which is fun, and you can do whatever you want without regard for my feelings because I'm so happy and secure right now that you'd probably need to try pretty hard in order to hurt me."  It's been working OK, to be honest.  It's starting to get a little stale, I think, but I don't really foresee changing my approach anytime soon.
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« Reply #1421 on: 13 Jul 2009, 10:35 »

To be fair, my real self is not really the self I want to be.
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« Reply #1422 on: 13 Jul 2009, 10:55 »

Being honest about both selves will beat being honest about only one of them any day.
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« Reply #1423 on: 13 Jul 2009, 11:48 »

Yunior... I'm just wondering. Why would you want to be in a relationship where your needs and expectations aren't being met?
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« Reply #1424 on: 13 Jul 2009, 13:17 »

Maybe Clara (hope you don't mind) has a different answer, but for a lot of people the answer to that is pretty simple. Loneliness! People like affection, companionship and conversation and sometimes the sort of stuff you can get out of a normal friendship is not enough/not quite what you want, etc. People get into bad relationships sometimes because they don't want to be alone. People stay in fucked up relationships sometimes because they don't want to be alone.

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« Reply #1425 on: 13 Jul 2009, 13:41 »

Aren't affection, companionship, and conversation needs and expectations? Not to be nitpicky, but if we're talking about overcoming cynicism, we need to start by recognizing what was good and validating about past relationships, even ones that ended poorly. Just because all of your needs weren't being met and you found it necessary to end things, that doesn't mean that none of your needs were being met.
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« Reply #1426 on: 13 Jul 2009, 14:38 »

Clara has to stay in relationships because that is the only way her grandfather's brother's nephew won't write her out of the will.
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« Reply #1427 on: 13 Jul 2009, 14:53 »

It's not just loneliness either, sometimes it's the simple need to feel valued. Relationships can be a real ego booster, even the ones in which only one person is putting in a disproportionate amount of work into it. This isn't even just limited to romantic relationships either. For example, my mother is a nurse who works ridiculously long hours with severely disabled patients. It can be a pretty physically demanding job, but she gets a lot of satisfaction out of it because these people genuinely need the help. That's a healthy way of meeting the need, but in a perverse sort of way battered women who stay with their drunken lout of a husband are also often fulfilling the need to feel needed.
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« Reply #1428 on: 13 Jul 2009, 15:21 »

There is a codependency disorder, though, wherein you are so desperate to feel needed that you create problems to fix for people so they will appreciate you and need you in their lives. I have a sneaking suspicion my cousin is codependent for some reason, but she is also a nurse, and that is a nice way of channeling it I think. But it can totally interfere with your life, not to mention other people's in whose lives you create problems. Most people are not codependent, and it is nice to feel needed, but if you feel desperation or depression when it seems like people in your life are functioning on their own you may want to look into that.

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« Reply #1429 on: 13 Jul 2009, 15:48 »

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Yesterday a forty-something married man struck up a conversation with me in line at the grocery store, then proceeded to follow me out to the parking lot and flirt with me and ogle my breasts. I found the whole incident really depressing: in the past two years, I haven't met even a single guy who has wanted to take me out on a Date, but apparently all guys, age 18-40, relationship status irrelevant, are totally interested in ogling me or getting me drunk or hooking up. I am not asking you guys How to Get a Date. Here is my thing: I feel like I have built up so much cynicism about guys because of my own personal experiences and trust issues, and I am worried that my own cynicism could get in my way if a nice boy does come along (or maybe even hurt me in attracting nice boys). My questions are more along the lines of: How do I get over said cynicism? Is the cynicism worthwhile/merited, or mostly exaggerated in my own head? Are there things I need to avoid doing so married men stop following me around in parking lots.

Maybe it can help to know that there's a lot of guys out there who has gotten really, really cynical because the women they like never wants to go out on a date with them but is totally comfy with telling them "oh I really want a boyfriend, why can't I find anyone?". Then these said women get drunk and make out with douches.

Dear relationship thread, why can't girls just say "I don't think you are attractive, funny or nice enough to even consider dating you" instead of making up lame-ass excuses about how they are "not ready for a relationship right now"?. When they get a boyfriend the next week, it hurts a lot more than if they'd just say "you're not really my type" or some equivalent, since that leaves guys like me sitting home alone in bed at 00:45 wondering exactly what's wrong with us. That's not fun.

Morale: if we'd just be honest, everything would have been a lot better in this world. I guess growing up in a world where everyone is constantly looking for flaws in you they can use against you pretty much destroys every hope we will ever have of honesty, though.

Bitterness isn't fun, people.
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« Reply #1430 on: 13 Jul 2009, 15:53 »

But it can totally interfere with your life, not to mention other people's in whose lives you create problems.

(not you, Alex, just general you)

Oh, I definitely agree; I am just trying to point out that whether something is viewed as a healthy habit or maladaptive is often a matter of degrees and context and that no relationship is really inexplicable. My favorite example of context happens to be professional athletes. There's more than a few elite athletes out there who are competitive and routine oriented to the point of obsession. Follow any sports rumor mill for a while and you'll hear plenty of tales of players punching out a "slacking" teammate during practice or chewing out an equipment manager due to a minor incident disrupting their training routine. Being competitive to the degree that you value results over etiquette works in their favor because it contributes to succeeding in a high status position and so they relate best to other athletes who have the same mindset. On the other hand, if I acted like that during a pick up game at the Y nobody would like me and I'd be considered delusional.
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« Reply #1431 on: 13 Jul 2009, 15:58 »

I don't know how to reply, except to say that I woke up and had coffee and read your post and basically want to just go back to bed and cry, because that is totally it, I do not feel like I have the capacity to be in a honest and trusting relationship, at all. I called myself cynical in my original post, but it is sort of a weird thing, because cynicism is kind of an anticipation of bad events, and I have never actually correctly anticipated any of the ways boys have hurt me in the past. So I maintain this kind of angry, cynical wall on the outside just to hide how horribly afraid and insecure and naive I actually am, and I end up walking on eggshells when it comes to admitting to someone that I have my own needs or expectations, because I am so sure that doing so will irritate them and push them to drop stuff with me and leave. Which is actually a horrible thought to have about yourself, that saying something like "Maybe we can date?" would cause irritation in somebody else, but also if I am honest with myself it is totally what I believe, and I really have trouble imagining how someone would want to be in a relationship with me, at all.

This post is sort of a mess and I'm stopping because I sound really pathetic and also feel really terrible.
I know exactly how you feel. In fact it goes beyond dating. I have to really rev myself up to call people, as I can just imagine them thinking "God, there's John again, calling without a good reason."

Anyway, people are acculturated to believe that the status of being in a relationship is inherently greater than the status of not being in a relationship (here in America at least). Think of the old woman, the "spinster", living alone, or the 35-year old virgin (and I'm not necessarily just talking about this guy). We see the old woman and we think of how sad it is that she has no one in her life, we don't stop to consider that she might like it that way. We hear about a 35-year old virgin and immediately think "there's got to be some reason why no one's fucked this person yet", and we don't ever really think it might be because of some benign thing. If you are alone, there is something wrong with you.

And so we feel a lot of pressure to be in functional relationships because if you hit that 35 year mark and you haven't gotten your V-card pulled, or you haven't had some solid affirmative status vis a vis romance at any point (slutting it up and settling down with one person are both far more accepted and desirable things than being chronically single), then well it's got to be something about you that's preventing things from being right in the world (ie your being successful in the world of interpersonal relations like every upstanding member of society) If you haven't found the right person yet you need to lower your standards. If you don't really like the idea of sex, you're just messed in the head because you're silly or maybe you were ruined by formative experiences. Thing is, if you're not one of those few asexuals who don't really care about relationships, you want to be in a relationship, and you can feel the stigma growing and growing, you can anticipate having to explain your unusual history to prospective partners who you know will wonder, at the outset at least, if they haven't stepped on a landmine by getting into things with someone who really should know the ropes by now, who probably has some huge deal-breaking problem that they're trying to hide. You'll go out there and pitch yourself and it will feel as though you're trying to sell investment bank stock circa November 2008. And the risk with that is that you can resign yourself to being alone and thus create a self-fulfilling prophecy in your loneliness. Your age really doesn't matter because even if you're 22 you're anticipating that point at which you're 35 and (supposedly) hopeless. The pressure is always there.

Anyway Clara, if you feel like you're not in a place where you can feel good about the people you want to date and yourself, perhaps you should take a bit of time to yourself and try, futile as it may seem, to let go of the desire to be in a relationship for a little while. Rehabilitate your view of potential partners. Hang out with dudes who would in some possible world date you, who won't ogle you. Even though I struggle a lot with my self-image, I feel completely different when I'm with the best of my friends, because they're amazing people, and they wouldn't be hanging around me so much if there wasn't something about me that warranted that time. I don't know, I suspect that forcing yourself to grin and bear it and rush into a relationship with someone at this point won't alleviate your fears. I think your best route to peace is taking it slow. Eventually you just get so fed up with being frustrated with yourself that you can submit to different modes of thinking, which is a brave thing to do, and really hard, but I think that people are more capable of it than they care to admit to themselves.
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« Reply #1432 on: 13 Jul 2009, 16:01 »

I'm pretty sure you guys are misinterpreting what Clara said (please, correct me if I'm wrong). Even in a good relationship you have to be vocal about what exactly what you want to happen in the relationship. I think that Clara is saying that she has trouble expressing these wants/expectations because she becomes scared that they will disappoint the other person or scare them off.

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« Reply #1433 on: 13 Jul 2009, 16:10 »

Dear relationship thread, why can't girls just say "I don't think you are attractive, funny or nice enough to even consider dating you" instead of making up lame-ass excuses about how they are "not ready for a relationship right now"?. When they get a boyfriend the next week, it hurts a lot more than if they'd just say "you're not really my type" or some equivalent, since that leaves guys like me sitting home alone in bed at 00:45 wondering exactly what's wrong with us. That's not fun.

Morale: if we'd just be honest, everything would have been a lot better in this world. I guess growing up in a world where everyone is constantly looking for flaws in you they can use against you pretty much destroys every hope we will ever have of honesty, though.

Bitterness isn't fun, people.

Snalin, the fate that you seem to have fallen afoul of tends to happen in one of several certain sets of circumstances.

Either:
(1) the guy is exceptionally awkward about admitting actual sexual desire for the girl because he has been conditioned into believing that being horny (and acting like it) precludes him from considering her feelings.  This generally leads to her experiencing more sexual attraction to guys who are more expressly sexual towards her, giving him a sense of being cheated in some way ("but I did everything right"), and bringing him to blame her when things don't go the way he wanted them to.  The really nasty upshot of this is that guys who end up in this situation often come to see sex as a reward that it is only fair that they receive from a girl that they have attempted to support emotionally.  The whole thing sucks ass because a guy who feels like he is owed sex on some level can't provide the truly empathetic emotional support that they hold as their real ideal on some level, and a girl who is having her own sex drive undermined by guys who are afraid of appealing to it directly often ends up making bad decisions in the name of sexual exploration with guys who aren't afraid of appealing to their libido directly but are actually not good people at all.

or

wait I can't think of any other situation that looks exactly like yours.

I know that I'm off the mark somehow, though.  I'm projecting a totally stereotypical "Nice Guy Syndrome" situation onto you and I have no idea how accurate it is, I'm only going on what you said in a single relatively short post.  What have I said that isn't ringing true?
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1434 on: 13 Jul 2009, 17:06 »

Or perhaps the last three people he asked out all had a thing for beards and he's clean shaven (or vice versa, I do not know snalin's facial topiary arrangements). Or maybe he's been asking out girls with vastly different interests who rank similar interests as a high priority in a prospective partner when he doesn't. There are innumerable possible reasons.

People often complain about the way people will use some phrase they believe to be neutral in order to let someone down easily when rebuffing their advances but really, it's not a big deal is it. The simple message is that they weren't interested and few people would prefer the blunt option really. Particularly since some of the time there isn't a particular reason. I've got no idea why I've turned certain people down, it just didn't seem right.

Thing is, liking someone doesn't mean they are obligated towards you at all. This includes not being obligated to tell you why they turned you down. Also, nobody has any right to a relationship. Sorry, but they can be hard to find since you have to encounter someone else also interested in having a relationship with you and no-one is obliged to feel like that and you can't expect them to.
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« Reply #1435 on: 13 Jul 2009, 17:07 »

Also I don't think Clara is codependent at all. I was just responding to Alex and pointing that out because it is a significant difference.
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« Reply #1436 on: 13 Jul 2009, 17:38 »

It is an interesting thing. Snalin, I was a little nervous my posts would be misunderstood, or might lend themselves to a Nice Guy/Jerk debate. It is not my intention to have that discussion, and it brings me zero comfort to think that other people are just as jaded as I am. Moreover, I hope what I am saying isn't misinterpreted as blanket statements about men and women. I'm talking purely about my own experiences, and 100% wanting to avoid categorical statements about how all men are big jerks (and would like to avoid reading categorical statements about how women only sleep with big jerks while complaining to their token nice boy friend). I know I said something to the effect of, "all men aged 18-40 enjoy looking at my boobs", and can totally see how that might seem like a categorical statement and how this rant makes me out to seem like a big hypocrite. But I think if my post were more clear, it would be immediately evident that I feel my own cynicism is getting in the way of my own happiness, and that that cynicism is unfounded and essentially pertains only to my experience with guys as opposed to a composite statistical database of guy niceness. I believe nice guys exist, and happy, healthy relationships happen, because I have seen both. My cynicism is, if anything, just compounded by this: I know happy relationship exist, why haven't I been in one? (Later on in this thread, we answered this question. It is because I don't want to share who I am with anybody except my Xanga. More on this later.)

Aimless, the reason is obviously because I need validation. Are you always such a tool?*

Everyone Else, thank you for your advice. It is sort of a curious thing. I like who I am, a lot. I think I am the coolest person. I have really great taste in music, I am really smart, I bring the funny, I am totally foxy and just now starting to overcome my shyness about that, I am always of the right opinion. I will spare you a longer list of great things about me (which is because I am the most considerate and loving individual and recognize how that might bore you). I totally like myself -- my issue is that I am not as convinced somebody else will like me as much. I genuinely enjoy spending time alone (as in, spending time by myself) and like who I am when I am single (as in, not dating). Therein lies the disconnect in two very separate ideas which I think are being discussed so far. One idea: society conditions people to feel that happiness is achieved in relationships by denying their own needs and hiding their own selves. (Resolution: Admit you have needs, be yourself even to chagrin of yourself.) Second idea: society pressures people into seeking validity in relationships, while finding fault in people who are not. (Resolution: Don't define yourself in terms others.) This is possibly a terrible synthesis, correct me where needed.

The distinction to be made here is that I do not feel pressure to be in a relationship, merely that I have decided to be honest with myself about wanting to be in a relationship. The first idea/resolution is more applicable to me, although I feel both ideas have a lot of merit. My cynicism is rooted in how my own want to be in a relationship has been stilted by yucky boys my inability to let my guard down/be vulnerable/take chances, set against the yuckiness that is my experience with boys (experiences where I was never honest about who I was or expressed what I needed. Or did, and got shot down. Jerks).

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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1437 on: 13 Jul 2009, 17:53 »

Here is my thing: I feel like I have built up so much cynicism about guys because of my own personal experiences and trust issues, and I am worried that my own cynicism could get in my way if a nice boy does come along (or maybe even hurt me in attracting nice boys).

My experience: I've been pretty fuckin' cynical and jaded towards all forms of human relationships after a while of feeling awful about a lot of stuff but hey I just met this real pretty girl and I'm not sure if she's into me or not but I've been having buckets of fun hanging out with her and enjoy her company and as recent as a month or less ago I was worried I was too dark-on-the-outside/empty-on-the-inside to feel emotion anymore but hey here I am feeling better than I've felt in a while, no longer afraid of drinking, no longer afraid of people no longer afraid of being happy just giving it a go.

Just what I am saying is if someone cool comes along you hopefully you will just snap out of your funk and feel good with it because like it or not you are a human being designed to feel stupid and fluttery when someone great spends some time around you.
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« Reply #1438 on: 13 Jul 2009, 18:21 »

Guys, I'm single again because my lady in Albania didn't want a long-distance relationship, and I'm gonna be doing my best to move on. This begs two questions:

1. Is it too early for me to be doing this? There is definitely a certain degree of attachment that I have to her, she really is an awesome girl, but I don't want to be all hung up on something way beyond my reach either.
2. Do you think my self-confidence is gonna be just as unreasonably strong as it was at the peak of my experiences on my little TV show? I'm not sure if there's a way to test it, but I don't want to rush in and have an unexpectedly hearty blow dealt to it.

(Tommy hush you usually have a lot of good advice)
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« Reply #1439 on: 13 Jul 2009, 18:32 »

I want a girlfriend so that I have somebody to help me shave my back, is this an acceptable reason?
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« Reply #1440 on: 13 Jul 2009, 18:33 »

Dude, don't shave. Waxing will last longer, you won't get back stubble and if you wax regularly the hair will grow back finer, so it will be less of a problem.
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« Reply #1441 on: 13 Jul 2009, 18:57 »

Now I need somebody to wax my back.
Relationships are hard.
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« Reply #1442 on: 13 Jul 2009, 19:11 »

We are CONSTANTLY being told, from every direction, that letting your guard down and telling someone about your real self is more likely to break a relationship than make it.

i know this is a few posts back now but i was at work all day and i wanted to briefly add on to this because it is also an extremely important component of being in a really honest and trusting relationship:

society teaches us that the most important part of loving someone is loving their strengths and talents and virtues. when i worked as a counselor last year i got a really good piece of advice from another student who worked with me - she said that it is really easy to love someone when you only look at their desirable qualities, because everybody has something about them that's really neat and not all that hard to find and really easy to exaggerate and idealize, so what might feel special and beautiful maybe isn't really, cos it's pretty easy and doesn't take much effort at all. a relationship is really special, she said, only when you can totally and completely acknowledge all the really weird weaknesses and vulnerabilities about your partner too and say, you know what, that's completely okay, that doesn't have to change, i still like those qualities and i still like this person... and it also means you have to accept that about yourself and the people who are going to be attracted to you. opening up to people is super terrifying, but shared vulnerability is where so much intimacy comes from in the first place - again, taking risks and trusting each other is a big part of what makes relationships so exciting and special in the first place. when you learn to share your vulnerabilities with someone and be okay with the fact that they still love you regardless, as well as to be receptive and nonjudgmental and still care about someone when they share their vulnerabilities with you too, it is a really massive and really positive step toward the ultimately healthier and happier relationship.

however! sharing vulnerabilities is still really fucking hard and scary, and doesn't stop being hard and scary, and while testing and moving around your boundaries for sharing them can be a really good exercise in being open and honest with people you care about, in the end it all comes down to what you feel okay with and you also have to take care of yourself and not push your boundaries for sharing your real self beyond the point where you would feel completely like shit or freak the hell out. if you really, REALLY feel like you can't open up about certain things right now, you know what, don't - that's probably a lot better for your emotional well being right now. being completely honest and truthful with people about your vulnerabilities and fears doesn't happen overnight, it's gradual and often takes a really long time. be patient and do it in baby steps. even tiny achievements in this area are worth really feeling good about.
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« Reply #1443 on: 13 Jul 2009, 19:51 »

Just what I am saying is if someone cool comes along you hopefully you will just snap out of your funk and feel good with it because like it or not you are a human being designed to feel stupid and fluttery when someone great spends some time around you.

At worst, you'll have gained a good friend.  (This is basically what happened with the girl from my saga; she cut away my cynicism and although I can't be with her we have the best fuckin' times together full stop)
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« Reply #1444 on: 13 Jul 2009, 20:06 »

Tania: That is really excellent advice. The only thing I think should change is the liking of others' weaknesses and faults to tolerance. You can work up to the former; that is part of the effort that usually goes into it I think.
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« Reply #1445 on: 13 Jul 2009, 20:26 »

the guy is exceptionally awkward about admitting actual sexual desire for the girl because he has been conditioned into believing that being horny (and acting like it) precludes him from considering her feelings.  This generally leads to her experiencing more sexual attraction to guys who are more expressly sexual towards her, giving him a sense of being cheated in some way ("but I did everything right"), and bringing him to blame her when things don't go the way he wanted them to.  The really nasty upshot of this is that guys who end up in this situation often come to see sex as a reward that it is only fair that they receive from a girl that they have attempted to support emotionally.  The whole thing sucks ass because a guy who feels like he is owed sex on some level can't provide the truly empathetic emotional support that they hold as their real ideal on some level, and a girl who is having her own sex drive undermined by guys who are afraid of appealing to it directly often ends up making bad decisions in the name of sexual exploration with guys who aren't afraid of appealing to their libido directly but are actually not good people at all.

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« Reply #1446 on: 13 Jul 2009, 20:31 »

Guys, I'm single again because my lady in Albania didn't want a long-distance relationship, and I'm gonna be doing my best to move on. This begs two questions:

1. Is it too early for me to be doing this? There is definitely a certain degree of attachment that I have to her, she really is an awesome girl, but I don't want to be all hung up on something way beyond my reach either.
2. Do you think my self-confidence is gonna be just as unreasonably strong as it was at the peak of my experiences on my little TV show? I'm not sure if there's a way to test it, but I don't want to rush in and have an unexpectedly hearty blow dealt to it.

(Tommy hush you usually have a lot of good advice)

Dude you can use the line "I am a rockstar in Albania" with all honesty. This is pretty much the best thing.

Also I'd say moving on would just be pretty much whenever it's right for you, since your ex is going to be in a completely different country, so there's no chance of crsuhing her heart by accident when you turn up to the same club with a new girlfriend two days after breaking up, or something.
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« Reply #1447 on: 13 Jul 2009, 23:13 »

Hay guys,

So normally I wouldn't do this, but I need to bounce ideas off of someone and my friends are fantastically unhelpful.

I am not terribly unlucky in love, but it has been some time since I had a relationship. This is mostly because I've been moving a lot, but that excuse is running thin, and I'm starting to get worried. I'm 22, and I know that doesn't seem that old, but I swear to Jupiter that everyone I meet is married or in some kind of long-term relationship and I'm wondering if I missed the memo. I don't know if I even BELIEVE in love, much less have faith that I am going to find it, and I am philosophically and morally opposed to marriage (Note: This doesn't make me a non-romantic. I am the sappiest straight dude on the planet, I'm just realistic, as I see it).

My question is, now that I'm out of college, how bad is it that I am not interested in or have faith in lasting long-term relationships? Dealbreaker ladies? /LizLemon.

(Apologies if this is not Relationship Thread worthy)

(Also, is there like a guidebook to these forums or something? Because they're godamn incomprehensible. There are undercurrents and the undercurrents have undercurrents and the undercurrents have meshed together to form some sort of horrible cthonic mass that lurks just beneath the surface and it's always undulating and threatening to throw the entirety of the thread into chaos with its horrible tentacles of subdued meaning...)
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« Reply #1448 on: 14 Jul 2009, 00:02 »

It's not wierd at all.  If you don't feel the whole relationship thingy, then go out and have fun.  Go to bars, flirt, meet girl and possibly take them home (protect yourself, inexp. condom).  You'd be utterly surprised how many females are out there that are not looking for "drama"  inexp. long term relationship.  Just go out have fun.  At some point in your life you'll think to yourself, maybe there is something more and get bored of the party life and want to settle down.

I'm not saying you have to do what is stated up above, but you most deffinately do not have to be in a long term relationship or even a serious one(whatever that is, right?).  Just have fun and meet people... girls, guys, horses... whatever your thing might be!
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #1449 on: 14 Jul 2009, 00:16 »

My question is, now that I'm out of college, how bad is it that I am not interested in or have faith in lasting long-term relationships? Dealbreaker ladies? /LizLemon.

If you aren't interested in long-term relationships then this seems like a more likely reason for you not having been in a relationship for a while than moving. Masterbainter's right, you just need to find other people looking for short-term things or a bit of casual sex along with being a friend if that's what you're missing.

(Also, is there like a guidebook to these forums or something? Because they're godamn incomprehensible. There are undercurrents and the undercurrents have undercurrents and the undercurrents have meshed together to form some sort of horrible cthonic mass that lurks just beneath the surface and it's always undulating and threatening to throw the entirety of the thread into chaos with its horrible tentacles of subdued meaning...)

No. I've been here years and half the time I have no idea what the hell these people are going on about.
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