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America's Children - real lippy?
tania:
--- Quote from: Alex C on 04 Mar 2009, 14:20 ---They have been given authority in large part because we as citizens expect them to act in a reasonable manner even when other people wouldn't.
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this is really important! this is why i that there is almost no scenario in which this would have been a reasonable response. maybe for me, personally, there are possible instances in which i'd lose my temper and respond that way, but that's why i'm not a cop and i don't have a badge or a gun. there's a reason you pick those specific people and not just anybody to give that kind of authority and power, or at least there should be.
RallyMonkey:
--- Quote from: DonInKansas on 04 Mar 2009, 15:36 ---I work in law enforcement, and the bullshit these guys have to put up with just to do their jobs is intense. There's no sound on the video and no side of the story EXCEPT FROM THE GIRL. We don't know how she had been acting up to that point. What if she was refusing to do what the deputy said? What if she'd assaulted him earlier in the night?
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I am trying to defend you, and those who share your occupation, but statements like this make it very difficult. Do you truly believe that any of those examples you've given would warrant anywhere close to the reaction they received? I can really think of absolutely no situation, no actions that the girl could have taken beforehand, that would make the reaction of the cop make more sense than simply closing the door she was standing behind.
tania:
from a practical stance there is also a pretty solid positive correlation between crime rates and how much legitimacy and respect people have for police. as a cop, you won't make all crime disappear forever by being nice to people but if you're trying to do your job and reduce crime rates, a good way to start is by just being reasonable and setting a really good example. good community policing requires a lot of coopertation from the public and if you don't treat people like shit, not only might they stop hating you, they might even want to cooperate with you and like... be on your side. crazy stuff, i know.
DonInKansas:
I'm not defending the cop's actions, especially not the apparent shots to the head after the girl was down. Those appear fairly bush league.
All I'm saying is that this is the type of bullshit that GOOD cops have to deal with every day on the job. They get spit on, yelled at, and not cooperated with because of things like this. The hundreds of thousands of GOOD cops out there have to deal with the fallout of THOUSANDS of people that are angry over ONE guy did.
People lose their cool all the time, in every occupation. Giving a person a gun and a badge doesn't change the person from a human to a robot. The gun and badge only raise the expectations of the common man. Yes, they have training. Training only goes so far. In few other professions does one bad apple ruin the bunch so much. It only takes one of these stories to get thousands of people to start yelling "fuck the police." I mean shit, just look at this thread.
It may be a bit extreme, but shit; if you said "fuck the ________" to every profession where someone beat the shit out of someone who didn't deserve it, you'd be sitting at home cowering in a cormer fearing everyone in the world.
tania:
i think most of the people in this thread have been defending police officers, actually, or at least have only criticized this specific one. maybe it didn't come across in my posts but for the most part i have immense respect for them and what they do. i just don't respect the ones that exhibit this kind of behavior, which in all honesty i find completely repulsive and unforgivable. there are good cops, but he isn't one of them and after this he shouldn't be allowed to call himself a cop at all.
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