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Varg Vikernes (Burzum) released from prison after 16 years
Hat:
--- Quote from: KharBevNor on 24 Sep 2009, 05:50 ---I don't think it's a complex moral issue.
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I am talking about giving money to nazi's, not copyright law.
Like the topic was about originally
sometimes I think I am going crazy and making up imagined conversations we weren't actually talking about at all so when I yell "LETS TALK ABOUT NAZIS FOR FUCKS SAKE" it turns out I am the crazy one. This happens in real life as well, minus the luxury of being able to scroll back a page.
supersheep:
--- Quote from: Sox on 24 Sep 2009, 05:10 ---The debate is whether or not illegal downloading can be theft. We can argue about the definition of theft all day, but basically...
If you have a product on your iPod that the artist probably intended for you to pay for and you didn't...
...they have lost money.
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No no no no NO. It is NOT theft. Whether or not it's MORALLY right is another issue, but it is definitely not theft.
If you want to steal something, it has to be a real object, and you have to be depriving the previous owner of its use when you steal it. Neither of these things apply to downloaded music.
I've pointed this out before, but economics says that the price we should be paying for music now is zero. That's right, ZERO. Music (and digital information) is a post-scarcity environment. There's a whole wodge of interesting stuff in there about copyright, and I won't repeat Khar's masterful summary of the key issue.
On the whole giving money to fascists thing, I don't think there's anyone here who would argue that we should be giving money to fascists, so I dunno if there's much we can argue about there.
Hat:
--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 24 Sep 2009, 13:45 ---If you just download all music regardless, you can't claim to be making an example of him by downloading his music because you're doing it to everyone regardless of their political stance
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who said anything about an example? Some people are just legitimately uncomfortable knowing they've given money to a Nazi. Do you really think anyone is going to pirate a Burzum album and go "ho ho ho that'll learn him"
(no)
David_Dovey:
--- Quote from: Hat on 24 Sep 2009, 03:20 ---I mean I know you've argued about it before but at least give us a specific link to focus on here instead of a link to the front page of his website or something.
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Yes but I guess what I really wanted to achieve with posting that link (which I just could've easily stuck to my guns and not done anyway) is to basically get people to pay attention to the site in general because almost everything he has to say is pretty flippin' interesting. It was presented in the context of the argument at hand but it was more or less to rep the site to people who didn't know it existed.
Mr. Doctor:
--- Quote from: Jeans on 24 Sep 2009, 15:14 ---I buy his music because he's Norwegian. Whitey gotta stick together
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You just maded my day, thank you. :-)
I agree with supersheep in the definition of what's theft and what's not.
And also, in my case i couldn't care less since most of the bands I listen to are the ones that don't get enough selling for a living anyway and therefore they work normal jobs too. And they are also the bands that get most of their money from concerts than cds... Now that I think of it, most of the artist get way more money from concerts than cds... Last time I checked it was that way, I don't know how it is overall but I still have the opinion that dowloading is totally ok... and I still buy a lot of cds too!
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