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Varg Vikernes (Burzum) released from prison after 16 years
Sox:
--- Quote from: supersheep on 24 Sep 2009, 09:21 ---No no no no NO. It is NOT theft. Whether or not it's MORALLY right is another issue, but it is definitely not theft.
If you want to steal something, it has to be a real object, and you have to be depriving the previous owner of its use when you steal it. Neither of these things apply to downloaded music.
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The thing is, to some people, music isn't a right, but a privilege. That's a terrible way to look at music that I definitely do not approve of, but there are people in the industry who think like that. And if those people don't want us to listen to their music without paying for it, that's fine. It's their product and ultimately their decision to decide whether or not I have 'stolen' music. The law might not agree with them, but until you're being slapped with a lawsuit then law never comes into these debates, they're entirely about who thinks they have the moral higher ground.
If you took a naked picture of your girlfriend and charged money to see it, that'd be fine. If I stole a look anyway and you called me out on it, that'd be fine too. If you told me that I had no right to take a peek without handing you £5, I would agree with you. Whether the picture is worth £5 to look at or not doesn't come into it. It wasn't mine to look at. Even though there's nothing material that I am taking away from you.
That's all digital music is. It's a 'look'.
This is not a debate about law and it is not a debate about copyright, despite words like 'theft' and 'stealing' being thrown around.
There are two individuals involved in this.
The artist and the consumer. They alone choose whether or not they are stealing or being stolen from and it is nobody elses place to say.
Respect the artist. Respect the consumer. And don't bring in some bullshit about copyright to defend a moral stance.
David_Dovey:
Darryl that's a really dogshit analogy
Sox:
You're just sore that I won't show you the picture.
Come on man, you can afford it.
Hat:
--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 25 Sep 2009, 12:14 ---
--- Quote from: Hat on 24 Sep 2009, 16:01 ---who said anything about an example? Some people are just legitimately uncomfortable knowing they've given money to a Nazi. Do you really think anyone is going to pirate a Burzum album and go "ho ho ho that'll learn him"
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On the first page people seemed to be implying that he would be an exception because they wouldn't buy his music. This would be bullshit if they didn't buy anyone's music.
In the case of Beopuppy, he genuinely does buy other people's music but not Varg's.
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There is a difference between what people seem to imply and what people are actually saying. "Seemed to imply" is a rhetorical phrase that is not very helpful because it's just not clear what you are trying to say here.
It seems like you are saying "People say they want to make an example of him by not buying his albums but if they pirate them how can they make an example of him" which would be fair except nobody has actually said that they don't pay for music but still want to make an example of him. In fact nobody has even implied that or even SEEMED to imply that as far as I can tell
--- Quote from: David_Dovey on 25 Sep 2009, 06:40 ---Darryl that's a really dogshit analogy
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Not if Darryl is a big record label and his girlfriend is a struggling band.
David_Dovey:
Mostly I just took issue with this:
--- Quote from: Sox on 25 Sep 2009, 06:34 ---If you told me that I had no right to take a peek without handing you £5, I would agree with you.
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what
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