Topic: Crooked smile, one eye raised (Read 46772 times)

Blue Kitty · « **on:** 06 Apr 2009, 17:45 »

So which one do you like, Pixar or Dreamworks?

lprkn · « **Reply #1 on:** 06 Apr 2009, 18:21 »

While I am aware that insanely talented at dedicated people work at both places, I kind of view the difference between Pixar and Dreamworks sort of like "Entertainment" and "Entertainment That Is Also Art."

KvP · « **Reply #2 on:** 06 Apr 2009, 18:21 »

The Iron Giant is better than all of them.

Chesire Cat · « **Reply #3 on:** 06 Apr 2009, 18:42 »

No way, Titan A.E. is the best

Norton Quintessential · « **Reply #4 on:** 06 Apr 2009, 18:47 »

Rock-a-Doodle, Bitches. *Shot*

Surgoshan · « **Reply #5 on:** 06 Apr 2009, 19:46 »

Quote from: KvP on 06 Apr 2009, 18:21

The Iron Giant is better than all of them.

Directed by Brad Bird, who also wrote and directed The Incredibles, a Pixar film.

Avec · « **Reply #6 on:** 06 Apr 2009, 19:46 »

No matter how much quirky racial humor Dream Works can incorporate into their one hour spectacles, they can't top this.

:~)

KvP · « **Reply #7 on:** 06 Apr 2009, 20:34 »

Quote from: Surgoshan on 06 Apr 2009, 19:46

Quote from: KvP on 06 Apr 2009, 18:21
The Iron Giant is better than all of them.

Directed by Brad Bird, who also wrote and directed The Incredibles, a Pixar film.

The Iron Giant is better than every Pixar film.

When that giant says "superman" man, it gets me every time.

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #8 on:** 07 Apr 2009, 00:12 »

No way I can choose. Wall-E on the one side. Kung-Fu Panda on the other ... and that was just in 2008.

Cartilage Head · « **Reply #9 on:** 07 Apr 2009, 03:15 »

I'm not a fan of most CGI movies. Most of them are pretty shitawful. Wall-E and maybe like two others are an exception.

benji · « **Reply #10 on:** 07 Apr 2009, 04:50 »

Quote from: Surgoshan on 06 Apr 2009, 19:46

Quote from: KvP on 06 Apr 2009, 18:21
The Iron Giant is better than all of them.

Directed by Brad Bird, who also wrote and directed The Incredibles, a Pixar film.

Who was also one of the key directors/animators in the early (i.e. good) seasons of the Simpsons. In other words, Brad Bird kind of rocks.

Norton Quintessential · « **Reply #11 on:** 07 Apr 2009, 10:51 »

I can't get over how RJ looks in the opening picture. He looks like he'll turn on you at any second and bite your arm off.

Chesire Cat · « **Reply #12 on:** 07 Apr 2009, 15:25 »

Quote from: Cartilage Head on 07 Apr 2009, 03:15

I'm not a fan of most CGI movies. Most of them are pretty shitawful. Wall-E and maybe like two others are an exception.

Thats a pretty wide brush you are using there huh?

Johnny C · « **Reply #13 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 02:04 »

Quote from: Chesire Cat on 07 Apr 2009, 15:25

Quote from: Cartilage Head on 07 Apr 2009, 03:15
I'm not a fan of most CGI movies. Most of them are pretty shitawful. Wall-E and maybe like two others are an exception.

Thats a pretty wide brush you are using there huh?

he's pretty much right though

Quote from: KvP on 06 Apr 2009, 20:34

The Iron Giant is better than every Pixar film.

so wrong i almost can't believe it

David_Dovey · « **Reply #14 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 03:23 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 08 Apr 2009, 02:04

he's pretty much right though

Is he?

With the exception of Cars and maybe A Bug's Life, every single film Pixar has made have been beautiful, poignant, wonderful, awe-inspiring, sad, funny, unpretentious examples of great film-making from the top down. Those other two, along with a disproportionate amount of CGI films made by other studios have at least been enjoyable, intelligent, emotionally genuine and generally solid. At the very least your average CGI film has been wildly effective amongst the target audience- I think people sometimes forget this?- kids. The only real stinkers, in my opinion, have been the two Shrek sequels, Madagascar 2 and Shark Tale.

In other words, the CGI animation studios have a far, far, far better strike rate than the major movie studios in general. What standard are you holding them to?

axerton · « **Reply #15 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 07:02 »

As great as these two film studios are, neither of them can lay claim, what I consider, the best CGI movie to date, which is instead done by some tiny film company you've never heard of for warnerbrothers:

Dimmukane · « **Reply #16 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 08:56 »

Fuck that shit to hell.

I'm sorry, but tap dancing penguins just piss me off, and turning it into a musical only made me angrier.

Blue Kitty · « **Reply #17 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 09:41 »

Quote from: axerton on 08 Apr 2009, 07:02

Happy Feet

Then you sir haven't seen the majesty that is:

Best surfing penguin movie bar none. I dare you to find a better surfing penguin movie.

Blyss · « **Reply #18 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 10:16 »

I don't care about studios, or what's artistic - the Madagascar Penguins fucking rawk!

"That's got to be the 2nd biggest slingshot I've ever seen... ...but it'll have to do."

Cartilage Head · « **Reply #19 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 11:10 »

Fucking Happy Feet is awesome. Also, I noticed that Cars is not in that Pixar guy's description list. This is a good thing.

KvP · « **Reply #20 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 13:30 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 08 Apr 2009, 02:04

Quote from: KvP on 06 Apr 2009, 20:34
The Iron Giant is better than every Pixar film.

so wrong i almost can't believe it

Like Galileo and Darwin before me, I stand for truth in the face of cultural orthodoxy.

In the future the textbooks shall see me victorious.

JD · « **Reply #21 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 13:41 »

Quote from: Blue Kitty on 08 Apr 2009, 09:41

Quote from: axerton on 08 Apr 2009, 07:02
Happy Feet

Then you sir haven't seen the majesty that is:
SURFS UP
Best surfing penguin movie bar none. I dare you to find a better surfing penguin movie.

The joke is there aren't any other penguin surfing movies

Norton Quintessential · « **Reply #22 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 15:02 »

Quote from: David_Dovey on 08 Apr 2009, 03:23

With the exception of Cars and maybe A Bug's Life, every single film Pixar has made have been beautiful, poignant, wonderful, awe-inspiring, sad, funny, unpretentious examples of great film-making from the top down.

I thought both of Brad Bird's movies were a bit pretentious, but that's just me.

Chesire Cat · « **Reply #23 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 15:16 »

Quote from: Dimmukane on 08 Apr 2009, 08:56

I'm sorry, but tap dancing penguins just piss me off, and turning it into a musical only made me angrier.

Because we all hate music here at QC, right guys!

Alex C · « **Reply #24 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 15:17 »

TBH, it's pretty damn rare that I enjoy a musical.

Like, I can't think of one that I like, come to think of it.

StaedlerMars · « **Reply #25 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 15:33 »

You obviously haven't seen the Evil Dead musical.

Avec · « **Reply #26 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 16:24 »

Or the Dayman musical from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

Cartilage Head · « **Reply #27 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 16:53 »

Quote from: David_Dovey on 08 Apr 2009, 03:23

With the exception of Cars and maybe A Bug's Life, every single film Pixar has made have been beautiful, poignant, wonderful, awe-inspiring, sad, funny, unpretentious examples of great film-making from the top down. Those other two, along with a disproportionate amount of CGI films made by other studios have at least been enjoyable, intelligent, emotionally genuine and generally solid. At the very least your average CGI film has been wildly effective amongst the target audience- I think people sometimes forget this?- kids. The only real stinkers, in my opinion, have been the two Shrek sequels, Madagascar 2 and Shark Tale.

In other words, the CGI animation studios have a far, far, far better strike rate than the major movie studios in general. What standard are you holding them to?

I'm holding them to the standard of good movies. Feel free to watch all the Happily Never Afters and Space Chimps and Chicken Littles and Shark Tales you like, however.

squawk · « **Reply #28 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 17:23 »

I don't understand the original post's cartoon :[

KvP · « **Reply #29 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 19:22 »

Anna it is a comparison / contrast. The implication is that Pixar comes up with novel and unique premises for their movies, whereas Dreamworks uses a rote formula again and again.

Blue Kitty · « **Reply #30 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 20:11 »

As with all movie genres there are the good ones and there are the ones that slowly deteriorate your very soul with each watching.

Surgoshan · « **Reply #31 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 20:15 »

Quote from: Blue Kitty on 08 Apr 2009, 20:11

As with all movie genres there are the good ones and there are the ones that slowly deteriorate your very soul with each watching.

And then there's Disney, which never bothered to pretend to be original.

http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/04/07

KharBevNor · « **Reply #32 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 20:32 »

At the end of the day, we are talking about animated childrens movies.

Unfortunately something like Sleeping Beauty or Spirited Away will absolutely shit all over any CGI film ever made. I do not blame this on the medium of CGI per se, pretty much every animated childrens film to come out of Hollywood in the last ten years has been pretty shit. Disney for some reason just walked off a fucking cliff with Tarzan and has never made anything decent since.

That Disney video is interesting. Note how it seems to be mostly dancing. I think this is because they rotoscoped the dancing. Also the massive similiarities between Jungle Book and Robin Hood don't surprise me. They already recycled baloo; weren't there some sort of straightened economic circumstances? The Sleeping Beauty/Beauty and the Beast thing seems more like a homage to me also, considering that none of those other examples really seem to come out of anything other than a certain ten year period.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #33 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 20:39 »

Maybe if Wall-E was only half an hour long.

Dimmukane · « **Reply #34 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 21:02 »

I don't know, man, Wall-E was really good. Most of the classic Disney movies are children's versions of fairy tales (which did get kind of gruesome), Wall-E was at least it's own thing, and didn't have pointless musical numbers. Not that they were bad songs, but they almost never contributed to the story. 'Cinderelly' was seriously irritating, anyways.

imapiratearg · « **Reply #35 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 21:31 »

Wall-E was goddamn fantastic if you ask me. Put that hand-in-hand with Toy Story and I think Pixar wins hands down. That's not even bringing into question their stellar track record.

Kung Fu Panda was good, though.

Alex C · « **Reply #36 on:** 08 Apr 2009, 21:45 »

I agree with Khar here; Wall-E was pretty alright but I'm not in a rush to crown it for anything. I would also argue that the Wall-E & Eve flying through space didn't further the plot any more than Lady and the Tramp Bella Notte musical number, but I don't hear people calling for either scene to be cut; execution counts for a lot. Besides, pointing out that not every Disney film wasn't stellar hits me as dirty pool here considering the amount of projects and different crews we're talking about here.

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #37 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 00:31 »

Disney can do whatever they like just as long as, on occassion, they give us something amazing like Hercules. That movie was and is awesome.

axerton · « **Reply #38 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 05:00 »

Hello mr head. what's that? you want to go meet mr desk. Ok.

Josefbugman · « **Reply #39 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 06:53 »

Why the head desk dude?

Personally, I think that the Iron Giant is a great movie, certainly a damn sight better than a good few of disneys early "classics" (I'm looking at you 101 dalmations) but WALL-E and The Incredibles were great, easily matching it if not outdoing it.

I also think a good deal too much emphasis is placed on "classic" films from our childhoods, especially disney movies. The studio did produce a great deal of intellgent, funny material but we must remember that the first time we saw the damn things we were about 5 and excited by everything.

Personally I found that I didn't like quite a few disney movies, but hey what do I know.

Dimmukane · « **Reply #40 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 07:00 »

Quote from: Alex C on 08 Apr 2009, 21:45

I would also argue that the Wall-E & Eve flying through space didn't further the plot any more than Lady and the Tramp Bella Notte musical number, but I don't hear people calling for either scene to be cut; execution counts for a lot.

But both of those scenes both show that the protagonists' love for the other character is no longer unrequited. It's not necessarily all of the music numbers. Some of them fit really well. Others just kinda draw attention to the fact that they don't fit very well at all.

I'm not saying Disney films are inherently worse than Pixar. I just think that a lot of them are on par with the good Disney films. I do not think Wall-E or Beauty and the Beast should've won Best Picture, but in my opinion they are both equally excellent.

Josef: Watch some of them again. They hold up surprisingly well. Nothing post-Tarzan, though.

Josefbugman · « **Reply #41 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 07:17 »

I watched Hunchback a few days back and discovered to my delight that I had been wrong about it being scary, in fact it was awesome.

I know they hold up well, I just don't think that they should be over-estimated in their importance.

axerton · « **Reply #42 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 07:43 »

Quote from: Josefbugman on 09 Apr 2009, 06:53

Why the head desk dude?

Quote from: BeoPuppy on 09 Apr 2009, 00:31

Hercules. That movie was and is awesome.

michaelicious · « **Reply #43 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 07:51 »

Quote from: Surgoshan on 08 Apr 2009, 20:15

And then there's Disney, which never bothered to pretend to be original.

http://www.todaysbigthing.com/2009/04/07

That video inspired me to spend this afternoon watching The Jungle Book and Robin Hood.

lprkn · « **Reply #44 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 08:15 »

Don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but Disney is doing another old school animated movie and it might be okay. It's called The Princess and the Frog, and is directed by the same guy that directed The Great Mouse Detective, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Hercules, and ummm....Treasure Planet. So it has potential, is what I'm saying.

Wikipedia article

StaedlerMars · « **Reply #45 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 10:23 »

Quote from: michaelicious on 09 Apr 2009, 07:51

That video inspired me to spend this afternoon watching The Jungle Book and Robin Hood.

I need to watch The Jungle Book again and the Hunchback.

I also will agree that Wall-E was vastly over rated. It was cute. It was quaint. It was hardly the be all and end all of all cgi movies, and hardly fantastic.

Siibillam-Law · « **Reply #46 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 10:40 »

Mixing it up with Pixar was like the smartest move Disney's made in ages. Their 2D films were just getting horrendous, save for Hercules and Basil of Baker Street (Great Mouse Detective?)

I think Toy Story will always be my favourite of them all though. It had it all, and the second one had Kelsey Grammer

Cartilage Head · « **Reply #47 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 10:53 »

Khar is completely right though. The Pixar films can unfortunately not stand up in the slightest to truly amazing feats of animation, although the one that might even come slightly closer to reaching them (while still falling short) is Wall-E. My favorite animated films are Mulan, Hunchback, Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle, and I can't think of any CGi movie that even comes close to those.

Dimmukane · « **Reply #48 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 10:57 »

The Thief and The Cobbler is where it's at, y'all. The workprint version, anyways.

JD · « **Reply #49 on:** 09 Apr 2009, 11:26 »

Has anyone seen Kiki's Delivery Service? That movie was excellent.

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