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StaedlerMars:
The other day I was in my uni's library being 'studious' and I came across a book called "the Doomsday Book". I don't remember where I put it, it's no longer in it's original place, and I didn't check it out. This made me sad.

Summary: It was basically an analysis of everything that could go wrong with the world (20 years ago) and some 'likely' doomsday scenarios. I'm really bummed out I'm in the middle of exams or I would have read that in a day.

onewheelwizzard:
OK guys I knew this was going to be kind of a square-peg round-hole kind of discussion, so I'll just shut up.

If your issue with what I said is that you don't think I made sense, and you're willing to entertain the notion that there might be some semblance of a reasonable point behind what I was trying and presumably failing to clearly say, PM me about it.

If you think I'm categorically wrong, that's cool.  Khar already pointed out a few glaring inaccuracies in my (admittedly experimental, out-on-a-limb) "argument" and I'm not going to try to defend myself using facts or logic because I'll readily admit to knowing that that's a losing battle.  If that's all you need to hear to dismiss where I'm coming from, sure, don't bother listening.  I'm trying to appeal to people's intuitions, not their rationally analytical minds.  I won't be able to convince anyone who isn't already at least a little sympathetic to these ideas.  It's not like the relative feminism or patriarchy of science can be a matter of fact in any case ... it's not a testable, provable, or measurable matter.

My opinion is that the mechanistic perspective that a strictly scientifically-minded worldview engenders is strongly linked to the patriarchal ideals of ancient Middle Eastern politics and religion, via the influence of the Protestant Reformation on the scientific revolution.  I don't believe science is useless or harmful, I think that taking the scientific worldview too far into the social sphere inevitably results in a bias against feminism.

KharBevNor:
Quite frankly, that makes no sense at all no matter how many times you try and turn it and look at it another way. There is absolutely no connection between science and 'ancient middle eastern politics and religion' (just say 'judeo-christian' or 'abrahamic', please). I do not see how you can even begin to say such a thin with a straight face. The church has spent much of its history attempting to ignore, denigrate or persecute science. Religion is not at all mechanistic! There is not one thing that links science and religion apart from the fact they happen to take place on the same planet. Now the culture of science? Maybe, especially in ages past. But that is not science. You say you can't deal in facts and logic? Then you can't deal, period. If you can't even put down an argument then everything you say is worthless. Even theologists and philosophers value facts and logic. 

And a bias against feminism? Look, you're a nice guy, but that is ghastly, weaselly, feeble minded crap. How the fuck does a rational worldview work against feminism. How dare you presume to speak for feminists in saying something like that? Are you trying to imply that gender equality is not rational? Are you saying that it has to be wrapped up in your appalling drug addled pseudo-mystic bullshit? Are you saying that is the true essence of feminity?

Seriously. Try and reflect upon yourself for a bit. I have watched you over the years become something rather pitiable and unpleasant. You would really not be amiss in seeking psychiatric help. This is not a put-down, but sincere concern.

KharBevNor:
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onewheelwizzard:
Khar, I'm not sure if I've explained this before, but I don't treat my posts on this forums as debate as much as I treat them as experimentation.  I'm just playing around with words and ideas and trying to put them together in interesting and thought-provoking ways.  If you have the belief that my mental or emotional stability has been declining as the weirdness of my ideas has progressed, I guess I must be misrepresenting my lifestyle, because I'm a pretty well-adjusted individual, no matter how freaky and out-on-the-fringe my philosophies of choice might be.  I guess I appreciate your concern, if it's genuine?  Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think I might need help for?  (You seem pretty set on the idea that it's about drugs for me, do you think I have a drug problem?)

Anyway, you're right.  The discipline of science runs totally counter to the prescriptions of religion, and the feminist movement has nothing to do with rejecting rationalism.  These are true statements.

However, there are some concepts that both science and religion leave completely out of the picture, that I think are important to feminism (not necessarily as a social movement but sometimes as a personal lifestyle choice).  I think of myself as being more feminist (not "more feminist than [insert person here]," just more feminist than I would be otherwise) through my belief in stuff like a living universe, a living Earth, a divine feminine that compliments (and, on this planet, usually supercedes) the divine masculine, and a bunch of other stuff also easily dismissed by both Abrahamic religious and scientific thought as "New Age mumbo-jumbo."

If you want to dismiss my New Age mumbo-jumbo, I won't hold it against you, but I do think there's a lot to be said for expanding beyond science AND religion into integral spirituality, neurotheology, and a bunch of other stuff that draws connections from the mind to the spirit to the body, and furthermore a lot to be said for looking at systems like the Earth as having life and even a form of consciousness.  If it's weird that I'm looking at stuff like that and seeing threads of feminism, I'm OK with that ... it just seems really intuitive to me.

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