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onewheelwizzard:
--- Quote from: ledhendrix on 26 Apr 2009, 11:13 ---Define nature, you could just as easily call the Universe a living entity.
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Yep! In fact, I do.
ledhendrix:
Why do you need to define it like that though? Your hijacking a word that is used to define something else and then your trying to bend what your describing (The universe, the earth etc) into something that fits the original definition. Just because something is dynamic doesn't mean it's alive. If you call everything living then the word loses value, if it was decided that everything fitted into the category of "living" then new definitions would just have to be made up to describe what was previously living.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: onewheelwizzard on 26 Apr 2009, 08:29 ---I'm critical of societies that use the standards of the scientific method in a prescriptive way because I see that as an extension, however distant, of patriarchy.
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--- Quote ---This ties into feminism for me because I see the shift in priorities that would accompany a shift in the way we model the biosphere as one that would inevitably be feminist.
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You may think you see these things, but are you going to give a reason why anyone else should?
A Shoggoth on the Roof:
@Led-
it is possible to accept that the entire universe is just the product of tiny interactions between atoms and see it as a sort of living thing at the same time. Beliefs and science are separate and not necessarily mutually exclusive. I completely agree with your explanation of the universe, but, at the same it, it is possible for me to create a personal spiritual view of that explanation. I would never confuse my beliefs with the science, but that doesn't mean I can't have both.
in short, facts and beliefs are not related, and should never be.
I can believe the universe is alive in the spiritual sense, and, at the same time, agree that, by the scientific definition of the word, rock or other inanimate objects are not alive.
Alex C:
--- Quote from: A Shoggoth on the Roof on 26 Apr 2009, 12:34 ---in short, facts and beliefs are not related, and should never be.
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That's bullshit. People keep trying to tell me that their beliefs are harmless and somehow distinct from their decision making process but for the life of me I've yet to find a case where this has truly been so. For example, there's pernicious beliefs floating around that lead to the marginalization of women, gays and other disenfranchised groups. Beliefs can in fact hurt others but unfortunately many of us continue to confuse freedom from coercion with freedom from accountability and so are loathe to speak up even when they should. At some point you need to be able to draw a line in the sand and start refuting the mindsets that propagate injustices. I'm no tyrant and I don't really believe in censorship, but that sure as hell doesn't mean I'm going to keep my mouth shut.
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