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Will Wil and Penelope's relationship last?
SJCrew:
--- Quote from: friend on 07 Jul 2009, 19:20 ---penelope is abusive woman, i want to punch her in the liver
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I'd rather uppercut her in the ovaries. Her personality disgusts me. The only thing I like about her is that she's cute.
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 09 Jul 2009, 23:00 ---I just noticed something. Back in 1259, Sven told Wil that it was just infatuation.
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Of course it is. How do you fall in love with someone you've spent no substantial amount of time with? Wil just looked at her and said, "That's my woman!" Love at first sight is bullshit.
LeeC:
Based on what we know of Wil, I dont think he has ever been in a relationship. This is all new for him (or seems to be) I think he will do what ever penpen will tell him. he will become a doormat. :| for fear of loosing her.
Juniper Jade:
I think Wil's been in a relationship before, in #1434 he mentions his sex life: "It's been quite some time since I've engaged in that particular activity." So he has been with at least one girl before and Wil doesn't seem the type to be in just physical relationship where it was only about sex, he would be with someone who he "loves." The question is if he was actually in love with said girl(s) or just infatuated like it seems to be with Pen.
KeepACoolin:
--- Quote from: dcnblues on 15 Jul 2009, 15:11 ---Carl Sandburg began his writing career as a journalist for the Chicago Daily News. In other words, he was one of the lucky few who find a job doing what they like (writing, in his case). That's great for an artist, when it happens. Getting paid to train yourself in your medium is friggin great when it happens. Ask Jeph.
My argument is that, if you're someone who feels drawn to poetry, you're SOL in that regard. And that you don't deserve contempt for not wanting to work some shitty job.
The best counter-argument would be Nietzschean,
--- Quote ---Nietzsche believes that human strength and wisdom is elevated in direct proportion to the depths of human suffering and the overcoming of suffering. Direct experience of the harsh and impersonal nature of the universe leads to a unique understanding of reality that sets a person above and beyond the comparatively shallow belief systems and illusionary hopes of the mass of humanity (the herd)...
For Nietzsche, suffering makes one “hard.” If it is true that that which does not kill us makes us stronger, then it is equally true that by overcoming suffering, by facing it squarely and by not turning toward such overworn tools as “faith” and “hope”, we become something greater than what we were without suffering. “And if your hardness does not wish to flash and cut and cut through, how can you one day create with me? For creators are hard. And it must seem blessedness to you to impress your hand on millennia as on wax, blessedness to write on the will of millennia as on bronze – harder than bronze, nobler than bronze. Only the noblest is altogether hard. This new tablet, O my brothers, I place over you: become hard!” (Thus Spoke Zarathustra: Third Part - 1884).
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/wkb/nietzschesuffer.html
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but that's not what Penny is saying. She is unaware that working some crap job full time to support oneself will suck your creativity into that job. There is no greater indictment of modern society than someone waking at three in the morning, and realizing their subconscious creative energy has been vacuumed up by office politics or the need to pay the heating bill.
I still think Aristotle nailed it. All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind.
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First of all, Nietzsche sucks. I said it. I think you would have a hard time proving that all "creators" are hard: Socrates, Plato, Aristotle- these were free citizens of Athens, which generally meant a pretty easy lifestyle, and yet they produced most of the foundational thought of western philosophy. And I refuse to believe that faith and hope are "crutches." It's very much as though Nietzsche was advocating training oneself without any goal in mind- like running psychical laps without having a race in mind.
Secondly, I think it's absurd to say unequivocally that paid jobs degrade the mind. Ted Kooser was Poet Laureate, but he spent a lot of his adult life working at an insurance company.
Surgoshan:
Citizen of Athens = easy lifestyle. You do realize that Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates all marched to war multiple times in their lives? And that as a result of such duty they, along with other free citizens, made it a point to regularly practice the arts of war (marching in formation, etc)? Even in as remarkable a city as Athens, life in the Bronze Age could only be relatively easy, never 'pretty' easy.
Although that just makes your overall point all the more correct. Hard work <> worse artist.
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