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Will Wil and Penelope's relationship last?

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Delirium:

--- Quote from: danman on 15 Jul 2009, 11:35 ---Why? Many great poets (in my country) wrote about workers, their plight and the values they create. Many of them worked in industry at some point of their lives.

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Let me guess, you live in some interchangable ex-Soviet country?

KeepACoolin:

--- Quote from: Surgoshan on 23 Jul 2009, 15:30 ---Citizen of Athens = easy lifestyle.  You do realize that Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates all marched to war multiple times in their lives?  And that as a result of such duty they, along with other free citizens, made it a point to regularly practice the arts of war (marching in formation, etc)?  Even in as remarkable a city as Athens, life in the Bronze Age could only be relatively easy, never 'pretty' easy.

Although that just makes your overall point all the more correct.  Hard work <> worse artist.

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Ease of life is always relative.  Compared to, say, the helots of Sparta, free Athenians had it incredibly easy.  But, in this instance, I mean to discuss Nietzsche's idea of a "hard creator," which I think differs slightly from an artist in general.

Blackjoker:
Just to make a side comment, being paid to do something doesn't degrade the mind. However, there is an argument that doing something for money can tarnish the final product. If I want to sell my artwork, whatever it is, I have to make it sellable, I have to make it attractive to the largest number of people or I have to make it for a particular patron who will dictate terms to me. The great creators had time to create and study, but that also somewhat ignores the fact that many great artists and creators were fairly unappreciated in their times. Socrates was wealthy and had a family that he, presumably, supported with vast wealth he had independantly, given that he also served as a soldier and had purchased his own hoplite armor and weaponry there is something to be said for him being wealthy from the get-go.

To the main topic, I think the question of whether it will last or not has a lot to do with how much both characters grow as well as how much the rest of the cast finds out. Sven knows some of this, for example, but the more...acidic members of the cast do not know of Wills situation. Faye could have a field day with this as could Dora, and there is also the point that Sven seemed to have a certain amount of scorn for Will as seen in some of their other exchanges.

sofiabailote:
Was there ever a relationship?? The way I see it, she had a romantic vision of Wil during his "journey", fueled by his letters (remember she reads crappy erotic chick lit, so the letter must have an enormous appeal to her) then he came back, she fucked him thus getting him out of the system, learned about his loser status and told him to shove off. (not sure she did, but if she didn't, she should have)
Anyone here remembers Adrian Mole?? it was a book and later a TV series character about a boy who wanted to be a poet but was a presumptuous and pompous ass, never really accomplishing anything... That's what Wil always reminds me of.

Juniper Jade:
I don't think Wil is pompous at all, in fact I see him as being really insecure about a lot of things including his writing and especially being with a woman. He pretty much is a loser, but Pen is helping him find a job and sticking by him. Yes, the relationship was filled with nothing but delusions during Wil's trip and now reality is crashing down on them and it'll be interesting to see how it ends up.

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