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The Last Airbender
« on: 10 Jul 2009, 19:03 »

Right, there hasn't been a specific topic made for this yet except for a couple posts in the Michael Bay douche bag thread, one for and one against specifically. I myself am excited for this movie.

I never saw the Happening, and except for Signs every M. Night Shyamalan movie I've seen I liked, with Unbreakable being at the top of my favorites list. And while I only watched the show for about the first season of Avatar, I liked it a bunch and I've recently caught a few episodes from a more recent season which I feel is enough to call me a fan and say that I am cautiously optimistic about this film.

The link to the website and the trailer: http://www.thelastairbendermovie.com/
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« Reply #1 on: 10 Jul 2009, 19:05 »

My best friend worked construction for the sets of this movie for a few months.  They paid him serious bank.  Apparently there was an ice castle involved.
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« Reply #2 on: 10 Jul 2009, 19:14 »

I love the show, almost fanatically, so I don't know how to feel about this movie.  One hand we have avatar, probably one of the best Nicktoons, or cartoons, in a long time.  On the other hand is Shyamalan, who's movies have progressively gotten worse and enjoys putting in twists.
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« Reply #3 on: 13 Jul 2009, 13:15 »

I hope the only two M. Night movies you have seen were Unbreakable, Signs, and The Sixth Sense. Because The Village, Lady in the Water, and The Happening are all terrible. Every movie more terrible than the one before it.
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Re: The Last Airbender
« Reply #4 on: 13 Jul 2009, 13:53 »

The Village definitely isn't my favorite movie, but its not terrible in my opinion, since we're both being highly subjective here. I actually really liked Lady in the Water. Haven't seen The Happening, not in any hurry to, though I think its somewhere on my Netflix queue. I know it received pretty much bad reviews all around so I'm not expecting anything good but I'll watch it anyway eventually.

For some reason I like his directing style, though I know it leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. I also think that for him directing this movie is a lot different from anything he's used to dealing with, being a pure fantasy story being set in an entirely different world and timeline and whatnot and I think will be a lot different from any of his previous work. Whether this is a good or bad thing, hell I don't know. I think on the pro side of this it'll probably be hard to write any major twists into the story, and rather as my brother jokingly put it "The twist came before the movie's even out, with Shyamalan directing a movie based on a kid's cartoon. Twist!"
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« Reply #5 on: 14 Jul 2009, 00:28 »

You luckily missed out on the truly terrible one. When it comes to The Village and Lady in the Water, terrible is a fairly harsh word. Yet, it doesn't come close to describing how bad The Happening was, which has in turn tarnished all of his prior movies.
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Re: The Last Airbender
« Reply #6 on: 14 Jul 2009, 00:36 »

Man, a movie can't tarnish prior movies unless it introduces something that changes the context previous events and characters must be viewed through, something which does not apply here since these movies are unrelated aside from having a common writer-director. The Happening is also not that bad of a movie if you go in expecting it to be sort of dumb and how could you not expect it to be dumb when it has such an awful title?
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« Reply #7 on: 14 Jul 2009, 00:52 »

The Happening, for me, was good in concept but was executed pretty fucking poorly. It's actually works a whole lot better if you only watch the first 20 mins and the last 5-10 mins, without all the bleh-bloo-blah of Mark Wahlberg and Zooey Deschanel it would be a pretty sweet short film.

The trailer looks awesome production and set wise. The thing that impressed me the most were the Fire Nation ships, those things look mint. There was a whole ton of controversary over casting pretty early on though, which is fair enough when you cast Jesse McCartney as Zuko.
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« Reply #8 on: 14 Jul 2009, 02:26 »

I hope the only two M. Night movies you have seen were Unbreakable, Signs, and The Sixth Sense. Because The Village, Lady in the Water, and The Happening are all terrible. Every movie more terrible than the one before it.

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« Reply #9 on: 14 Jul 2009, 03:16 »

Man, a movie can't tarnish prior movies unless it introduces something that changes the context previous events and characters must be viewed through, something which does not apply here since these movies are unrelated aside from having a common writer-director. The Happening is also not that bad of a movie if you go in expecting it to be sort of dumb and how could you not expect it to be dumb when it has such an awful title?
One has to remember the intense hype that sprung up around Mr. Shyamalaman after Sixth Sense hit. He was touted as a rising star auteur, a master of taut thrillers in the vein of Spielberg at his best (people specifically noted Jaws and Duel, both of which hold up today) Then came another movie with third-act plot twist. Then another. Then another. By the time Lady in the Water came out Shimmelman was only really being defended as a good director and not a good writer. That film put Schoolmarm's rather massive ego on display, including himself in the narrative and including characters obviously modeled after his critics solely for the purposes of dooming them to violent ends.

Then The Happening came out, and I disagree with your assertion that it's not that bad of a movie. It's that bad. It's worse. It is transcendentally bad. And to make matters worse, beyond the curiously uninspired direction it was very recognizable as a Shambliss film. Except here all the things that were perceived as strengths were actually weaknesses. The tension-building was ridiculous, as the threat to the characters was ridiculous. More importantly, Shasta McNasty's terse and economical writing, once seen as an asset, was super fucking dumb ("There appears to be an event happening!"; "We've lost contact" "With whom?!" "(pause) With everyone!") He changed his PR course rather quickly after the movie's release, claiming it was always meant to be awful, but I don't believe him.

And ultimately that does reflect poorly on his prior work, because there's not much of a good reason to say that two movies with several common central elements and a shared visionary can be vastly different. You watch The Happening and recognize that the writing is the stuff of sucky urban legend. You watch the Sixth sense and it has a very similar writing style that is considered a strength in one film and a crippling injury in the other, and you begin to wonder if the other's acclaim was mainly a boon of circumstance, the first cut being the deepest and all that. To be sure The Sixth Sense is a greater film than The Happening. But could it be the case not that Shimmerlong didn't start strong and got weaker, as the conventional wisdom goes, but rather that he was always mediocre and simply spent all his capital over time and ultimately failed? How would we view The Happening differently had it come out before people were tired of Shamwow's schtick? Before they even knew who he was? What if Sixth Sense had been last? Wider context often informs the way we view things we enjoy - knowing the stories behind the making of "Rumours" or the Pop/Bowie/Reed Berlin Recordings enhances the experience of listening to them. Reading the story of the Hunchback of Notre Dame makes watching the Disney version ridiculous and perhaps a little unsettling. Lots of people saw The Sixth Sense without knowing what a skilled hack the man behind it was. There are elements of film that are objective, but when we're talking about artists and their patterns, and when passing gestalt judgments, perspective is rather important. It's partly a philosophical dilemma - If I like a band's single and decide it's their best track only to discover that they have dozens of nearly-identical songs, couldn't I have possibly heard one of their other songs and decided it was the best? How can I be sure of my judgment?

I'm reminded of a story I read a long time ago. A writer at Slate was lavishing praise on the Aphex Twin for releasing a remix of Nine Inch Nails that the writer thought was a perfect parody of industrial music - It was all steam whistles and sheet metal percussion and minor-key, movie villain horns. To the writer, the remix was an example of Aphex Twin's talent for recognizing ridiculousness in music and coaxing the good out of it. However I knew something that the writer didn't - Aphex Twin didn't really intentionally make the remix. He was paid for it in advance and forgot about it until the deadline rolled around and the record company started calling. Not wanting to put such effort into something on a small time frame, he picked a tape off his shelf of unfinished / unreleased works, added some samples of the Nine Inch Nails song at the end, and sent it off as an official remix. That it came out the way it did was largely luck. Having known that, the awesomeness of the track (and I think it is very good) was lessened a great deal, because one wonders if the Aphex Twin puts a similar lack of effort into everything he does and if so, how much better his work would be if he applied himself. But the author didn't know that, and so the work was evidence of genius that was in reality just providence. Which one of us is right?
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« Reply #10 on: 14 Jul 2009, 09:38 »

I know that story and the bottom line here is that the track is still good. Such occurrences may change people's perception of the creator but when it is used to denigrate their successes it tends to say more about the degree to which people have their heads up their asses than anything. The Hunchback of Notre Dame is also a fairly dicey comparison since the differences between the film and the orginal story changed what happened pre-existing ideas and characters; that's outright begging for a comparison, particularly since Quasimodo is such a well known character. It doesn't help either that the Disney film was still in many ways an ugly story with ugly undercurrents; the ending likely would have still rang false even had it been an original creation. At least I thought so at any rate, and I know virtually nothing of the original tale.
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« Reply #11 on: 14 Jul 2009, 09:45 »

Also, yes, I realize that my post basically amounts to me claiming that an awful lot of critics have their heads up their asses. This is because I believe a lot of critics do in fact have their heads up their asses.
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« Reply #12 on: 14 Jul 2009, 10:14 »

I have high hopes for this, but I expect them to be dashed on the proverbial rocks....

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« Reply #13 on: 14 Jul 2009, 11:57 »

Now... I don't want to sound racist..... Because I LOVE people. I really, REALLY do.... But I HAVE to throw this out there..




They're white.

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« Reply #14 on: 20 Jul 2009, 05:20 »


This man is one of the big reasons I want to watch this movie.He play Admiral Zhao

P.S. They aren't all white
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« Reply #15 on: 20 Jul 2009, 06:05 »

my problem with this is the very medium it being put in. Live action may be cool, but the problem is that you have to use real actors, and when you take a kid and shave him and give him some tatts the result is not the overall happy go lucky friendly looking kid that aang was drawn as, more like an angry angsty preteen.

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« Reply #16 on: 20 Jul 2009, 06:36 »

The Trailer wasn't a happy thing, wait for another to come out. I agree that cartoon to live action doesn't usually pan out that well though.
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« Reply #17 on: 20 Jul 2009, 12:36 »

This man is one of the big reasons I want to watch this movie.He play Admiral Zhao

P.S. They aren't all white

I think most of the Water Tribe cast is white when in the series they had really dark skin
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« Reply #18 on: 20 Jul 2009, 13:07 »

It is transcendentally bad

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« Reply #19 on: 20 Jul 2009, 13:07 »

I do not think this word means what you think it means
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« Reply #20 on: 20 Jul 2009, 18:09 »

The Trailer wasn't a happy thing, wait for another to come out. I agree that cartoon to live action doesn't usually pan out that well though.

what I was more going off was this

(no, yes, no, maybe)
and I mean really - if the cosplayers can pull it off, why can't the actors have the right hair styles.
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« Reply #21 on: 20 Jul 2009, 20:17 »

I do not think this word means what you think it means
I simply meant to imply that The Happening was so awful as to reach a supernatural sort of awfulness. A purity of badness. As far as I'm aware it's a correct usage of the common definition of the term, though I'm sure there are other meanings.
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« Reply #22 on: 22 Jul 2009, 23:54 »

The small teaser trailer I saw showed absolutely nothing, that being said, I'm going to take a giant pass with this one.  M. Night seems like one of the weirdest choices for this film and it worries me that he's producing, writing and directing the thing.  I'm not sure which I'm iffiest about the most.  Maybe it's the fact that each of his scripts are full of holes when anyone examines them, maybe it's the fact that he's doing this because his kid loves the show, or maybe it's because he's making a genre of movie that is so incredibly different than anything he's done before. 

I should probably go download the show now, right? 

As for the actors compared to their cartoon counterparts: smiles, anyone?  And WOW are they all (except for Slumdog) completely not fitting in any way at all....especially Ang. 
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« Reply #23 on: 16 May 2010, 09:43 »

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« Reply #24 on: 16 May 2010, 11:01 »

Yeah they pretty much all look white to me.

And The Village features some of the most pompous and horrific performances in recent memory. I can't comprehend anyone actually managing to enjoy it.
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« Reply #25 on: 16 May 2010, 13:16 »

I think Night just took one look at the characters and noticed how the fire nation guys are so damn pale. So he flipped the color of their skin around.
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« Reply #26 on: 16 May 2010, 14:04 »

Cartoons never/hardly ever transition well to live action.
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« Reply #27 on: 16 May 2010, 14:18 »

Well, that's in large part because cartoons so very rarely take themselves seriously on any level whatsoever. Compared to something like He-Man the Avatar cartoons were actually pretty character driven.

Anyway, yeah, the water tribe is so white they may as well have just casted Jens and gotten it over with.
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« Reply #28 on: 16 May 2010, 19:03 »

So I saw this trailer before Iron Man 2

Yay, first appearance of Appa.  Also, the Blue Spirit actually looks kind of cool.
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« Reply #30 on: 16 May 2010, 19:31 »

Wait, it looks like the same exact scene.  What the fuck, where is Appa in the first one?
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« Reply #31 on: 16 May 2010, 20:16 »

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« Reply #32 on: 17 May 2010, 00:02 »

it looks pretty nifty.  gonna have to see it.
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« Reply #33 on: 18 May 2010, 06:19 »

looks like the water book, perhaps 2 more movies after this one?
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« Reply #34 on: 18 May 2010, 06:25 »

I've gotta admit: every time I see this thread I think "airbender" is some strange new euphemism for homosexual.
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« Reply #35 on: 18 May 2010, 08:27 »

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« Reply #36 on: 18 May 2010, 08:36 »

I must confess to being in a rather juvenile state of mind at the moment. On Sunday I saw West Side Story for the first time, and when Tony (played by the guy with the teeth) told Maria (played by Natalie Wood) that he'd come to see her at the dress shop she worked at at the end of the day, and she replied "When you come, come in the back door", god help me I couldn't help giggling.
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« Reply #37 on: 26 Jun 2010, 22:07 »

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« Reply #38 on: 27 Jun 2010, 07:50 »

So, judging from those trailers, are they going to cram every major event from the series into the movie? I'm not sure if that can turn out well.

Oh, and in 3D. Well, whooptee-doo.
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« Reply #39 on: 27 Jun 2010, 14:10 »

So, judging from those trailers, are they going to cram every major event from the series into the movie? I'm not sure if that can turn out well.

Oh, and in 3D. Well, whooptee-doo.
nah looks like just book 1, where they all meet and save the northern water tribe city.
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« Reply #40 on: 27 Jun 2010, 14:49 »

It is Book 1 and I really hope they have Koh in it.
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« Reply #41 on: 27 Jun 2010, 15:41 »

I forget. Did book 1 also include the part where uh, spoiler alert, Aang gets captured then rescued by the blue spirit?
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« Reply #42 on: 27 Jun 2010, 17:28 »

Yep, you can see him in the trailer.

Here's the best screen shot I could find so far
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« Reply #43 on: 28 Jun 2010, 15:47 »

Oh, I saw him, clearly even in one of the newer trailers, I just wasn't sure whether or not that happened in book 1. Well, I guess that's a good thing! Does that mean we're getting more Avatar movies after this one? That would be great. You know, if this one is any good.

This trailer, 2:00.
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« Reply #44 on: 29 Jun 2010, 04:36 »

Oh god the guy who plays Sokka appears to be a god awful actor with god awful dialogue to work with. Damn it I want to like this film.
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Re: The Last Airbender
« Reply #45 on: 29 Jun 2010, 04:45 »

Well, we all just have to wait a few more days before the reviews start pouring in, wonder if it'll do better than Eclipse.  And that should be the big question of this week, are you more likely to check out this or Twilight, I for one will be checking out Twilight.
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Re: The Last Airbender
« Reply #46 on: 29 Jun 2010, 19:43 »

Or take the third option and rewatch Toy Story 3 (or if you're in a cool city watch Winter's Bone)
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Re: The Last Airbender
« Reply #47 on: 30 Jun 2010, 10:01 »

I don't mean to call you out, but why are you watching a movie based upon a terrible property that everyone knows will be bad instead of one based on an awesome property that might actually be kind of cool?  What I'm saying it please don't see Twilight, go watch something else.



Fuck man there is nothing else coming out this week worth mentioning, cept maybe some indie movie.
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Re: The Last Airbender
« Reply #48 on: 30 Jun 2010, 13:43 »

Oh wow, this might just end up killing M. Night Shyamalan's career outright. It was at 00% on Rotten Tomatoes until a guy from CinemaBlend gave a lukewarm-but-not-outright-negative review, bumping it up to 6% (it'll go up a little more when Armand White gets to gushing). Michael Phillips compares it to Lynch's Dune.

That might not necessarily mean complete disaster, but apparently it's not even fun, and the 3D is used exceptionally badly. Eclipse is going to clobber this thing.
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Re: The Last Airbender
« Reply #49 on: 30 Jun 2010, 14:53 »

I don't mean to call you out, but why are you watching a movie based upon a terrible property that everyone knows will be bad instead of one based on an awesome property that might actually be kind of cool?  What I'm saying it please don't see Twilight, go watch something else.


I'm going to see Twilight because it's absolutely entertaining and me and a few friends going to see it wouldn't make a huge difference anyways.  Thing is going to make money.  Plus you get double the excitement if you see it really quickly, you get to see the godawful movie AND you get to see it in a theater FULL of twihards.  Serious entertainment.

The fact that this thing is getting clobbered by critics is sad unless you hope that people might instead go and try to find and watch the series.  I haven't been interested one bit in this adaptation since Shyamalan was announced for it: Signs, The Village, Lady In The Water, The Happening, how do you get excited when his name is attached to something anymore?  Just looking at his ratings for his last bunch of films is really disheartening. 
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