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JD:
You can't really deny that part Cheshire. When the french came to Canada they wanted otter skins because they were all the rage in Europe at the time.
Chesire Cat:
Well I can and am denying that part. I cant really challenge someone to prove that by comparing the Na'vi to Native Americans they are referring to Aboriginals of South America, because frankly using awkward ambiguous wording still makes you look stupid even if you are 'right'. And Otter skins? Really? You are going to have to do better than that.
And Alex, dont really know what your family background is, but unless your background involves people who have living memory of what happened between 1642 and the ~1800s I struggle to see the relevance. Though Im personally curious about your background, sinceI always imagined you looked like your avatar.
scarred:
--- Quote from: Professor Snuggles on 03 Jan 2010, 00:30 ---I bet you went stoned or some shit, and blame your own sins on the movie, since you can't admit you were tired. There is no fucking possible way you could have come close to falling asleep during that movie.
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None of the above, we actually went to a 7pm showing to avoid the "OH IT WAS JUST TOO LATE YOU WERE TIRED" excuse. And I still started dozing off when he was learning how to fly.
Dunno what went wrong. Maybe it was the retardedly predictable script. Or the fact that sweeping vistas become boring once you've seen it all before. The LotR films came up with something new every time, whereas Avatar seemed like it was done showing me cool things even before (spoiler) the big tree got blowed up. Everything that wasn't on the visual side of this film reeked of laziness, from the Papyrus subtitles or "unobtainium," the 2 dimensional, undeveloped characters or the vaguely fake-looking Na'avi. (Yes I said it. The environments looked great and most of the animals did too, but the humanoids looked like they were straight out of a video game cinematic. Zzzzz.) Sorry. There's just no way I could ever enjoy a product this half-assed.
Ikrik:
--- Quote from: Zombiedude on 03 Jan 2010, 00:52 ---You can't really deny that part Cheshire. When the french came to Canada they wanted otter skins because they were all the rage in Europe at the time.
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If by otter you mean beaver then yeah. But that was after we (and everyone else) came for the fish. And after we had settled down we started using the Natives as slaves because importing them from Africa was way too expensive.
My girlfriend and I have been discussing Avatar for the past couple of weeks now and I used it as an excuse to introduce her to the first two Alien films. She absolutely loved both films and was even pointing out the similarities to Avatar (Vasquez, the Walkers, the Airplane, Burke) I am thankful to Avatar in a way because I'm not sure when I would have rewatched a James Cameron film otherwise.
And I cannot even remember the times I was sitting in my chair bored out of my mind during that film. Pretty much everything that scarred said except about the Na'avi. Did you see the paint on them? That made my jaw drop.
Alex C:
--- Quote from: Chesire Cat on 03 Jan 2010, 01:07 ---Well I can and am denying that part. I cant really challenge someone to prove that by comparing the Na'vi to Native Americans they are referring to Aboriginals of South America, because frankly using awkward ambiguous wording still makes you look stupid even if you are 'right'. And Otter skins? Really? You are going to have to do better than that.
And Alex, dont really know what your family background is, but unless your background involves people who have living memory of what happened between 1642 and the ~1800s I struggle to see the relevance. Though Im personally curious about your background, sinceI always imagined you looked like your avatar.
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Nah, that guy is Jared Allen, an NFL player that constantly straddles the line between unintentional comedy and full-on self-parody when he isn't out getting DUIs and voting Republican. He plays for the Vikings though so I can't really decide if I love him or hate him.
Anyway, I'm named for my great grandfather, Alejandro Calderon, and it's taken a lot of work corroborating with people from across the pond, but that side of my family can trace things back to around the 1780s now. Basically, my ancestors were Peninsulares who sided with the royalists early and then changed their tune when it started to look like Spain wasn't going to win the Mexican War for Independence. They ended up losing a lot of wealth over the years due to always being late to figure out who they should be siding with throughout various wars, but they still avoided fraternizing with the natives whenever possible and a few times people went so far as to head back to Spain to find someone to get married to. So, basically, my ancestors moved over here to skim off the top of the mining industry and boss around the natives but it didn't work out so hot. Generations later, we're still some of the whitest Mexicans you'll see this side of Guillermo Del Toro. In a stroke of karmic justice, this also has resulted in some of my relatives being afflicted with fun genetic disorders that are apparently rare outside of Spain.
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