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WCT: September 14-18, 2009
Gespenst:
Comic 1492
I guess they're both going to be alone for a while yet.
But seriously, this topic confuses me. I can’t wrap my head around all the vitriol flying around. You’re treating people thinking that Hanners and Marigold would be a cute/whatever couple as though they punched your mother.
…Admittedly I haven’t spent that much time reading the forums, and none during the current arc.
--- Quote from: wargrafix on 14 Sep 2009, 23:24 ---lol, there aren't going to "Lez out", but are they going to "Lez in"?
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I just had a bunch of weird ideas about lesbian themed super robots.
Let's Lez In!
Open Lez!
Change Getter Lesbian! (Which is a Getter 2/Getter Liger variant for some reason)
…so thanks for that.
--- Quote from: maddness on 15 Sep 2009, 00:01 ---Did Marigold fart again? Cause Hanners almost looks like she's making the zombie face in the last panel.
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I'm pretty sure that is because the idea of sex still terrifies her.
--- Quote from: Tunahead on 15 Sep 2009, 01:30 ---
goddamn creepy masochist weirdo
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I'm sure there are masochists who would object to that characterisation.
...or maybe not. I'm not sure how it works. Maybe some of them would like it?
--- Quote from: Nightson on 15 Sep 2009, 12:46 ---And when Hannelore is involved the obsessed people just get creepier.
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Are you a fan of irony?
--- Quote from: Zipperstuck on 15 Sep 2009, 14:08 ---Whether or not Jeph wants Marigold+Hannelore to go away, fact remains that Hanners kinda seems to like being around Marigold
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Why is that anyway? Like someone said earlier, Marigold isn't really the poster child for personal hygiene and Hanners got first hand experience of that. She doesn't seem like the sort of person Hannelore would pick to hang around with.
Then again she did like her yaoi... I suppose Marigold has opened up a new world to Hannelore.
--- Quote from: IanClark on 15 Sep 2009, 14:49 ---I may be being overly analytical here
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There's no maybe about it.
--- Quote from: tinkerbell on 15 Sep 2009, 19:20 ---Hanners and Marigold are not as interested in romantic affairs people are desperately trying to find where they fit.
Everyone seems to want all the characters nicely paired off.
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I have a habit of thinking like this. ...can't think of an example... oh, at the end of Toradora! I said that I wanted
FakeEdit: Ok, apparently I’m not allowed to post spoilers (wut?) so … I’ll replace the names with "the two unattached characters" that should be unspecific enough not to spoil but make it obvious who I’m talking about if you’ve seen the series.
Ok
I said that I wanted "the two unattached characters to get together because I "thought it would make everything neater" as opposed to having two lose ends flapping around.
--- Quote from: skaps on 16 Sep 2009, 00:12 ---It's actually pretty upsetting that some people may still decide to ship these two after this.
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You must be pretty new to the internet if this can upset you.
westrim:
--- Quote from: michi-love on 16 Sep 2009, 03:31 ---
--- Quote from: westrim on 15 Sep 2009, 20:50 ---.....Sorry Jeph, but you can't work your way out of this, any more than J.K. Rowling could with the Remus/Sirius/Severus idiocy. Just stop worrying about it, please. That goes for all of you.
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Now, I'm not completely certain about this because I haven't seen where this was said, but I have a friend who has told me that J.K. Rowling has come out and explained the situation between Remus and Sirius (I'm not even touching the Severus bit of that, because, um, ew!) and... honestly, it makes more sense that a children's author already being criticized by the churches would have to leave the relationship between those two men as friendship - aside from some subtext that could help arguments. In fact, it also seems to me that several concepts of the books wouldn't have worked unless Remus and Sirius were indeed in a relationship; but that's all a different universe.
HOWEVER. Unlike with the multitudes of those who believe in Remus/Sirius, there was, I repeat, subtext that referred to the possibility. Whereas with Hannelore and Marigold, there is nothing.
They hang out. It's annoying - and seriously more than a little bit sad - that Hannelore can't have a single friend without people (both online observers and random canon MMORPG players) assuming there is OMFGGAYSECKS involved.
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I was just noting that any two or all three of them together seems to be a popular choice for HP shippers, from what I've noticed from (very) far outside all that, but you had to go and say thing I had to refute. First, not a children's author, wherever the bookstores may put the books. Second, I doubt she gave a shit what the churches thought- she certainly didn't when she outed Dumbledore. Third, what subtext between Remus and Sirius? Remus got MARRIED for crying out loud, and Sirius was in prison forever. Every time we saw them they acted like old friends, regardless of the shippers turgid (wait, that's only a 3 dollar adjective) desires, Nothing. Was. There. And this was just an analogy for my main point anyway, which I'd prefer you had addressed instead.
--- Quote from: IanClark on 16 Sep 2009, 08:02 ---
--- Quote from: Random832 on 16 Sep 2009, 06:24 ---So... as far as I know, that's all stuff you made up just now, rather than actual reasoning we've seen written down from the Marigold/Hanners people.
Just sayin'. Nice wall of text, though.
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Do I really have to go through this again? Okay... imagine a universe where no one was putting Marigold/Hanners together but everything else on this forum that's been said had still been said, I'd still have the same feelings for the same reasons. Or, to almost verbatim state what I already said, it is not the fact that people put Marigold and Hanners together, it is the fact that both characters' sexualities were questioned (by people who were largely not shippers) to an extent that I've never seen before with any other characters. Like Jeph himself just said, there was no hint of a romance between the two. But this isn't so much because they don't like each other or because there's some sort of external obstacle preventing them from being together, it's the fact that they're both very definitively into guys. Now one might argue that the shippers are merely acknowledging but overlooking this fact for some wishful thinking, and they probably are, but to say the idea itself sprung out of nowhere, or to say that it was just too cute not to think of, is ignoring the fact that there were massive debates on Marigold's sexuality when her obsession with man-on-man should've settled it. And I seem to recall there were dozens of people who thought she was a lesbian without any genuine indication. So unless you're going to tell me that that manufactured ambiguity had nothing to do with the number of people who suddenly thought "Hey, I know, Marigold and Hanners!" you're not really making a point.
And just to clarify in case anyone else, shipper or not, feels the need to defend the shippers against me, don't bother because you're arguing against a point I didn't make. I do not, repeat do not, have a problem with the shippers, but rather in the formation of the idea before any actual shipping was suggested.
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Actually part of their point was that you shouldn't have built a Great Wall o' Text the first time. And that your evidence is actually supposition until someone comes out and says "OMG, my latent homophobia is causing me to assume Marigold is a Lezzie!"
--- Quote from: maddness on 16 Sep 2009, 09:37 ---
--- Quote from: SuperSUGA on 16 Sep 2009, 09:18 ---You see it a lot in other areas too. I know it used to be more of a regular thing for people to be called creepy for saying "[character] looks hot today!". Frankly it's the backlash against the supposedly creepy people that weirds me out.
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I think that because Jeph seems to be uncomfortable with the idea of his characters being sexualized and possibly used as fantasy fodder the forum in general has developed the feeling that it's just not cool.
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Truth. It disturbed me the first time when people got temp banned just for bringing this up and Jeph defended that mod, and it still disturbs me now. This whole shipping thing isn't my deal, but I do believe they should be free to speculate without getting banned and/or called perverts by people who will chortle over the latest antics of Pintsize. And when Jeph has an issue with it, the guy that made Tai the loose lesbian stereotype and 'constantly' has his characters discussing sexual matters, not to mention the on screen antics, well, it's just a little hypocritical to me for him to be annoyed when other people do what he himself is doing.
...Well. Sorry about creating my own wall of text, but I had responses I wanted to make. And I better stop now, even though more stuff has rolled in while I typed this. Life calls and all.
Random832:
--- Quote from: IanClark on 16 Sep 2009, 10:28 ---I mean it was questioned excessively. A recent anonymous survey returned that 12.9% of women were bisexual (although strangely enough the question: "Are you bisexual?" returned far less), on top of the somewhat standard number of 10% homosexual. So there's a 22.9% chance of any woman with no established information about her sexuality liking girls (Marigold), and for one who has been established to like guys but not to not like girls, it's 12.9%. So, in either case, to assume they were probably straight isn't homophobia, it's statistics. The exact opposite of bias.
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And acknowledging a 23%/13% chance as a possibility rather than automatically converting that number to 0% (which I am saying originates in homophobia) is "excessive"?
--- Quote ---That's not evidence at all though.
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I wasn't the one who said it "should've settled it", now, am i?
Anyway... on this:
--- Quote ---What particular reason would one have for preferring man-on-man to other pairings other than sexual? I mean, anyone who's not themselves homophobic is of course capable of enjoying a well-written male-to-male romance, but enough to get a t-shirt just dedicated to it?
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Well, maybe there are genre aspects (art style, story tropes, etc) apart from the whole "this contains sex" part. Just like how, you know, there can be fans of manga in particular, despite the fact that manga supposedly just means "a comic book / graphic novel that comes from Japan."
LeeC:
perhaps they can become wingwomen :roll: ba dum dat (horrible rendition of drums)
I am going to horribly quote the bad movie "Taxi"
"Sexual tension? I was in there with you and I didnt notice any sexual tension between you two. That was more like normal everyday tension!"
Dliessmgg:
Calm down everybody. No need to get annoying.
When I look at Marigold's face in the last two panels, I always have to think she's going to look for a boyfriend. Maybe on the internet, then a (more or less) blind date and BAM! Instant drama!
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