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Bastardous Bassist:
From her previous statements, I'd guess that she's not bitching about the system (she seems to be enjoying all of the stuff she's learning) but rather the people involved in the system. All of the people who just go through the motions at university so that they get a pretty piece of paper at the end that will help them find a job. I don't think very many people would argue that it's tough to learn at a university. It's just not really required.
Drill King:
Yeah more like that.
Also, Social Bacon, part of it is that when you have people who are there that aren't actually there to learn it dilutes the system and generally waters down the education. Most profs will admit to not being able to spend as much time as they would like with every student(at least the good ones). I would rather be in a class of passionate individuals who care about the course and will be able to help the class and the community thrive and make progress in the ideas developed in the class. Contributing rather than just leeching and copying to memorize the information just to pass the course.
(I am lucky because this is what my classes are generally like)
Bastardous Bassist:
In graduate school, this is also how it is, especially for a doctorate. Classes don't really matter, so the only reason to go is to learn and furthermore, the only reason to get a doctorate is to learn, because at least in technical fields, it's been shown that a master's degree nets you more money across your entire career.
Also, probably in most artistic programs (in my music department it was, except the vocal people didn't give a fuck), because those degrees have very little value career-wise, and you have to work far too hard to choose it as a degree in "Anything."
Social Bacon:
Sorry, my post wasn't really meant to be a personal attack on Andy. I know it kind of came off that way, I just get a little frustrated when I start talking about uni and tend to rant. I really agree with you on all counts, but the point I'm trying to get at is that it's impossible to knock the leechers out of the system. It's their prerogative to leech if they so choose. As such, for those of us who are passionate about our studies, we have to work with what we have. I'm saying that we can cut ourselves apart from the losers with no real interest in learning and get the full value from our profs and the time we spend there. I don't think focusing on the problems and inept individuals is really useful when there's so much to be pleased with. (Again, this is not meant to be an attack on you, but this thread has spent forever talking about these issues.)
Nodaisho:
--- Quote from: Drill King on 21 Oct 2009, 20:25 ---Most profs will admit to not being able to spend as much time as they would like with every student(at least the good ones).
--- End quote ---
This is what I love about my community college. My computer science classes have ten or eleven people in them, the basic one last semester had more like 20, but that is probably what a lot of people that just need to fill an elective and think it will be interesting take, the teacher has plenty of time to help the students. My biggest class has had probably 25 people in it, honestly it is going to be a pain in the ass going from this to crowded lecture halls, hopefully I can transfer enough of my computer science classes over to the university I go to that I will be able to skip a lot of the more crowded classes.
Also, I just got a program back that I had handed in not working, and I couldn't figure out why. I was filling an array with names, and instead of sending the names to the array, I messed up and just assigned them all to the variable name. I don't feel quite so bad about not catching that, though, it took my teacher forever to find it as well. I wasn't even looking in the right spot. I should probably stop rushing the assignments, just because I could do them in one afternoon last semester.
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