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Reed:
Wait...you actually have to take a class on that? I've had to go to ethics seminars, but for everything else we just learn it in the lab as we go.

Alex C:

--- Quote from: Christophe on 22 Oct 2009, 12:20 ---TL;DR: AHHHH C'MON, FUCK A GROUP PROJECT

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It's even better when they insist on doing it their way despite not really understanding exactly how they should go about doing it their way. If you're going to willfully commandeer the group leadership role and not take "no" for an answer you better know exactly what the fuck you're doing. I've done it on presentations before, but only in cases where I felt like I could reasonably acquire a full page of talking points and a half page of citations in under 40 minutes. It also helped that I was working with mouth breathers.

jhocking:
When my fiancee had an ugly group project situation back in business school, she ranted to me about how pissed off it was making her. At first I nodded along because, well, I hate it too when shit like that happens. But then at the end she finally took a deep breath and asked me what I thought she should do about it, and I kinda blinked in confusion for a moment and said, "Well, you should do the work."

My point then (and my advice to you now) was that there's no way to change the shitty situation halfway through the project, so she should just make the best of it. Definitely bear this in mind for the future (eg. don't be in another group project with that asshole) but as for the current project her main focus should be on doing what will help her, rather than wasting time thinking about how to get even or whatever.

In her case she should do all the work to get the project done (the problem she was having was lazy teammates who weren't pulling their weight,) while in your case I would advise don't waste any more time arguing with your stubborn "leader" and focus on making the presentation of his idea look good so you come off as a great presenter. Unless this is some special contest where you're presenting business plans to actual investors, nobody really cares about the ideas being presented, they only care about how good you are at presenting the idea.

Christophe:
Yeah after the huge argument I think everyone had a sit-down and got relatively calmed down. Thankfully everyone in the group actually submits their own business plans (has to do with the way the course is graded and stuff) but seriously it was like being in the worst episode of The Apprentice. Yeah I'm gonna buckle down and make sure the presentation goes well and stuff but after today I am not feeling good about it at all (whereas beforehand I was quite ambivalent about it and just happy to do the work and research). We meet again on Tuesday and the presentation is in a week so either we get it done or we're at loggerheads indefinitely.

And since I go back to my home university in the Winter (and I shouldn't have to take any more management courses after that) I'll definitely not be in another group with the dude.

LTK:

--- Quote from: Reed on 22 Oct 2009, 12:40 ---Wait...you actually have to take a class on that? I've had to go to ethics seminars, but for everything else we just learn it in the lab as we go.

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Yeah, but my knowledge of scientific research is zit. After high school we needed to do research on a subject in our profile, and mine was FUBAR so it's really quite helpful. The author's of the book themselves say that it would have saved them a lot of time, money and trouble if they had a book like this back when they were starting college. It's not a large book, and it primarily deals with setting up a good experiment rather than statistically analysing your data, and there's only a page or two on ethics. I've got a test for it tomorrow, but the thing is, this is a book that was not written to make you do a test on it. It was written to give you a guideline to use on your scientific research to keep you from screwing up, a manual of sorts, not a studybook. It's actually pretty easy to understand, only there's a lot of jargon to deal with, as well as demanding a high amount of insight into experimental design. But then they start asking questions like "If you go to a supermarket and ask every third person who comes out to fill out a questionnaire, what kind of sampling are you using?" and it comes down to a test of your vocabulary. I hope I don't get screwed over too bad on those questions.

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