Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCT: October 19-23, 2009
Rikushix:
It's completely derailed by now but oh my god, you guys just have to watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEbJBFWIPk
the_shankmaster:
Awwww that kiss was beautiful.
LeeC:
--- Quote from: LTK on 23 Oct 2009, 16:39 ---
--- Quote from: maddness on 23 Oct 2009, 15:22 ---Seriously, people, you've all known s/he was a troll from the first, don't lie to yourselves, and you just keep feeding the troll. I know it's hard not to say something sometimes. I can't even count how many times I've had to tell myself not to respond to this garbage. I really want to, but to what end? Can't we just let it go now?
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I've been wondering the same thing all the time this has been going on. Just smile and nod, people, smile and nod...
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I think its evident that people are using this as a vehicle to release their views on the subject. kinda like venting on a pillow with your fists (or a gun)
Fenriswolf:
--- Quote from: Ravenswing on 22 Oct 2009, 22:12 ---As to that, one topic my wife and I've been talking about lately is on gender identity, specifically concerning transgendering. My increasing belief is that it's all needless ... that people associate certain behaviors - wearing dresses or makeup, sleeping with women, playing football, particular mannerisms - so strongly with one sex or the other, it's thought easier to undergo lengthy, expensive, painful and imprecise hormonal therapies and plastic surgeries than to keep one's body as it is and just openly adopt the desired mannerisms and personality traits.
Wouldn't it be terrific if it were all okay? For guys to wear dresses, say, rather than have their bodies changed so they could get away with practicing the "feminine" traits they wished without shame or jeering?
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I appreciate where you're coming from, but can you appreciate how incredibly belittling it is to trans people to be told they just wanted to act like the societal construct of the opposite gender, rather than fully and completely feeling alien in their own body?
I can tell you, with my own milder feeling of dysphoria, I entirely believe it is different. I would fit in the above definition. Maybe. I hate being a woman to the point of revulsion with having ovaries and breasts sometimes. It has made me feel suicidal that I will always be seen and perceived as a woman no matter what I do, that every "masculine" thing I like and do (almost everything) will have to be proven, that any time I want to play with femininity I have to accept being treated as a "girl". I am extremely strong and fast. If I was XY I would be a shit ton stronger and faster. If I fight men (kickboxing) I am highly likely to lose, no matter how many women I beat. I. Hate. It.
So yes, if gender roles went away, if people accepted sexuality, interests and behaviour as a spectrum then I would be happy in my skin. But that will never happen. And the fact that despite not coping at all with being female sometimes I don't actually feel I AM male (if it was easy I probably would change my sex) means I really respect that some people do.
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LeeC:
--- Quote from: Rikushix on 23 Oct 2009, 16:39 ---It's completely derailed by now but oh my god, you guys just have to watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEbJBFWIPk
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awesome.
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