Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCT: October 19-23, 2009
syrupykeyboard:
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--- Quote from: Ravenswing on 22 Oct 2009, 22:12 ---As to that, one topic my wife and I've been talking about lately is on gender identity, specifically concerning transgendering. My increasing belief is that it's all needless ... that people associate certain behaviors - wearing dresses or makeup, sleeping with women, playing football, particular mannerisms - so strongly with one sex or the other, it's thought easier to undergo lengthy, expensive, painful and imprecise hormonal therapies and plastic surgeries than to keep one's body as it is and just openly adopt the desired mannerisms and personality traits.
Wouldn't it be terrific if it were all okay? For guys to wear dresses, say, rather than have their bodies changed so they could get away with practicing the "feminine" traits they wished without shame or jeering?
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I appreciate where you're coming from, but can you appreciate how incredibly belittling it is to trans people to be told they just wanted to act like the societal construct of the opposite gender, rather than fully and completely feeling alien in their own body?
I can tell you, with my own milder feeling of dysphoria, I entirely believe it is different. I would fit in the above definition. Maybe. I hate being a woman to the point of revulsion with having ovaries and breasts sometimes. It has made me feel suicidal that I will always be seen and perceived as a woman no matter what I do, that every "masculine" thing I like and do (almost everything) will have to be proven, that any time I want to play with femininity I have to accept being treated as a "girl". I am extremely strong and fast. If I was XY I would be a shit ton stronger and faster. If I fight men (kickboxing) I am highly likely to lose, no matter how many women I beat. I. Hate. It.
So yes, if gender roles went away, if people accepted sexuality, interests and behaviour as a spectrum then I would be happy in my skin. But that will never happen. And the fact that despite not coping at all with being female sometimes I don't actually feel I AM male (if it was easy I probably would change my sex) means I really respect that some people do.
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Bravo.
I'm... more upset about my situation.
Waking up every morning to the reality that you're a 19 year old girl stuck in a dude's body (simplified version of the experience) is a very... depressing, demoralizing, seemingly hopeless situation. Feeling so wrong in your skin. Being trapped.
I've never seriously considered suicide, but I completely understand how others in my situation or something similar could feel like it's the only way out.
And it DOES always... Well, I don't usually get angry about someone not understanding, but, indeed, someone thinking that it's a matter of playing dress-up, or confusing sexual orientation with gender identity definitely bums me out and reinforces the obviously false but overwhelmingly convincing idea that no one else knows what I'm going through.
Tl;dr Gregory House is Transgendered.
Edit: Also, I am done responding to trolls. In this thread. I'll try to restrain myself in others.
jonarus_drakus:
^ agreed.
If a 'traditionalist' war veteran like this can come to terms with it why cant people like Killbot? Its people like this, who use "religion" as an excuse to deny equality that caused me to turn away from religion all together. I want nothing to do with that sort of thing. Now, i had a conservative/religious upbringing, so i do indeed have 'traditionalist' views to wards gay people, but THEY ARE STILL PEOPLE! They deserve the same rights as straight people for no other reason than the fact that they are no less human than the rest of us.
So, Killbot, while your welcome to believe that being gay is 'wrong' or whatever, that your opinion and thats fine. But if you seriously sugesting that being gay makes them 'less human', and not deserving of the same rights as the rest of us, then you are going to far, and religion becomes an excuse for evil, and you become just like the terrorists.
Fenriswolf:
--- Quote from: syrupykeyboard on 23 Oct 2009, 17:09 ---Bravo.
I'm... more upset about my situation.
Waking up every morning to the reality that you're a 19 year old girl stuck in a dude's body (simplified version of the experience) is a very... depressing, demoralizing, seemingly hopeless situation. Feeling so weird in your skin. Being trapped.
I've never seriously considered suicide, but I completely understand how others in my situation or something similar could feel like it's the only way out.
And it DOES always... Well, I don't usually get angry about someone not understanding, but, indeed, someone thinking that it's a matter of playing dress-up, or confusing sexual orientation with gender identity definitely bums me out and reinforces the obviously false but overwhelmingly convincing idea that no one else knows what I'm going through.
Tl;dr Gregory House is Transgendered.
Edit: Also, I am done responding to trolls. In this thread. I'll try to restrain myself in others.
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Thanks for sharing.
For feeling suicidal myself, it's more of a mix of whatever-the-hell-you-call-my-gender-issues with long term depression I was avoiding medicating. I am getting better at coping. But I know I'm not a man: and you know you are a woman. That's all people really need to understand.
Funnily enough with the confusing sexual orientation, I really feel I would be happiest as a bi (but mostly into dudes, as per how I am now) man. I generally don't say that because I sound like a cock but whether or not I'm horribly naive, I just know that is what in my brain feels so much more natural. The idea you're just a gay man in denial... or whatever people think (presuming you're into guys, I don't know) is just ridiculous.
I feel like an arsehole to say it but I'm glad I'm not truly trans. Because it horrifies me to see the complete lack of acceptance compared to every other group who faces discrimination. It does my head in and I don't know how I'd cope if it was directed at me. You don't want to care, but you do want to live your life without your gender being the centre of it and people are so ignorant. :x
Anyway, good luck. I hope you have people in your life who are supportive.
Jace:
Dogg, I am serious. I don't need to read the bible to know I am doing God's work.
ChristKnows:
Have to say as accepting of gays I am, I have mixed feelings about gay marriage. I agree that homosexuals deserve all the rights of married heterosexuals but in the end the church are the ones offering the service of marriage and if they don't want to offer that service to a particular group of people then that sucks but it's their right, especially given that there are alternatives (civil partnerships) that offer all rights of marriage.
Anyone who disagrees with gay relationships on a fundamental level in today's society is probably below the age of 15 or has opinions of how a homosexual relationship works based on false ideas or sweeping generalisations. Or is using the hatred of gays as a way to preach the type of christianity that only focusses on punishing people the preachers deem unworthy of god's love.
As for the comic this is an arc that really made me happy. I love seeing cute couples together and I would love some more discussion about two people who are clearly happy together and in love with each other rather than discussion about how they're both going to hell.
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