Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCT: October 19-23, 2009
Schmorgluck:
--- Quote from: Moxie on 24 Oct 2009, 14:46 ---This is only my opinion.
If the problem is religion saying you can't have gay marriage, then why not fully support the idea of separation of church and state and get rid of marriage in terms of rights given by the government? To be fair, every union between two people should be a civil union, in the eyes of the government. Nothing more, nothing less.
If the two people want a marriage, then they can have that too, but it wouldn't (and shouldn't) affect their rights according to the government.
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Interesting way to state it. This question recently hit the headlines in France, where a kind of civil union (disreguarding sexes) has been created ten years ago. Interestingly, a demand that emerged was the possibility to hold a ceremony presided by the mayor (or one of his adjuncts) for the contracting of this civil union. Which would make it quite alike to a French civil wedding, if only symbolically. There are also issues about inheritance rights that has been brought up.
I'm personally in favor of gay couples having access to the same rights as straight ones, but this is complicated. Civil unions are not as binding as marriages in several respects, particularly in terms of mutual duties. But if civil unions are turned into civil marriages, what's left for people who'd prefer a civil union as it is now? The other possibility is to open marriage to same-sex couples, but it brings up the fatal question: what exactly is the meaning of marriage to a secular society? The religious aspects can be left aside: religion is a matter of personal choice, if people who marry want their wedding to be sanctified by whatever religion they want, it's strictly their choice. Actually, you can even choose to be married in the eye of your religion without being officially (i.e. civilly) married.
But what is the meaning of civil marriage to a secular society? Is it to promote natural demographic increase? Hard facts tend to demonstrate it's not a requirement.
Tough question.
EDIT: well, shit, I shouldn't have posted that here. It drifts far away from the topic. Mods feel free to delete my post if you can't move it to a more relevant thread, I saved a copy of it.
Near Lurker:
--- Quote from: Rikushix on 24 Oct 2009, 15:16 ---Maybe. I don't know. All I knew was that her family was explicitly Reformed Calvinist and she believed, as an ordained minister's daughter, the Bible should be followed in its entirety.
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Well, by that logic, they should take their sons to be sacrificed, since God told Abraham to do that.
Is it cold in here?:
--- Quote from: LTK on 24 Oct 2009, 15:30 ---I wonder how the couple will react to Faye's inevitable sass-raffs?
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Faye plays nice with gay people, more so than with straight people. I wonder if it's discrimination. Notice also, perhaps due to some lingering influence of her upbringing, she is more respectful to her elders?
akronnick:
--- Quote from: Near Lurker on 24 Oct 2009, 17:08 ---
--- Quote from: Rikushix on 24 Oct 2009, 15:16 ---Maybe. I don't know. All I knew was that her family was explicitly Reformed Calvinist and she believed, as an ordained minister's daughter, the Bible should be followed in its entirety.
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Well, by that logic, they should take their sons to be sacrificed, since God told Abraham to do that.
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God told Abraham specifically to sacrifice Isaac, it wasn't a routine thing. And then God stopped him at the last minute anyway, so yeah.
mustang6172:
--- Quote from: Moxie on 24 Oct 2009, 14:46 ---
This is only my opinion.
If the problem is religion and marriage by saying you can't have gay marriage because that ruins marriage or whatever the argument is, then why not fully support the idea of separation of church and state and get rid of marriage in terms of rights given by the government? If the government is going to give rights to two people who love each other/want to make the bond to be together, then there should be a complete overhaul to the system. To be fair and separate religion, in the eyes of the government every union between two people should be a civil union. Nothing more, nothing less.
If the two people want a marriage, then they can go to their religious place of choice and have that too, but it wouldn't (and shouldn't) affect their rights according to the government.
(edited for clarification)
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Moxie, I've been saying that for years. It's just a shame so few people listen to us.
Now can we get back to talking about the comic?
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