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Author Topic: Elementary, my dear Watson aka Sherlock Holmes - The Movie  (Read 17407 times)

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So there's THIS

Robert Downey Jr. seemed a weird choice to me at first, I've not actually heard him try and English accent before, but it seems pretty good. Jude Law is fitting as Watson I guess, but he tends to be a bit wooden sometimes, and that could let it down.

To be frank, I probably won't go and see this at the cinema because it is essentially the whole 'lets make a comic book film' mindset extended to classic british literature. I just figured I'd bring it to the table for discussion because I was a little surprised nobody had seen this yet.
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Truth be told, I think I would find this movie much more interesting if the lead actors had the roles switched, though this is mostly because I see Jude Law as being better able to perform as Holmes, rather than Downey Jr. as Watson.
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Just going to point out that this movie has already been talked about. But, I think we've concluded that it's okay to start new threads if it isn't on the front page anymore. So I'm just listing it as reference.

I'll go see this movie.
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Truth be told, I think I would find this movie much more interesting if the lead actors had the roles switched, though this is mostly because I see Jude Law as being better able to perform as Holmes, rather than Downey Jr. as Watson.

I would agree now, but back when Downey was still on drugs, he would have made a fantastic Holmes.  I'm also slightly sad that they took out the drugs, because I think it's kind of integral to Holmes' character.
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I don't trust Guy Ritchie with Sherlock Holmes.  Not at all.  I actually think I'd rather gouge my eyes out than pay money to see this.  And I totally trust a group of three writers where 2 of done almost nothing and another wrote Jumper, X-Men: The Last Stand, and XXX: State of the Union.  Oh and it's an AWESOME idea to make Sherlock Holmes into an action film.  Yeah, definitely avoiding the hell out of this one.  There already was a Sherlock Holmes, his name was Jeremy Brett.  Go watch his stuff, it's way freaking better than anything else on Holmes.
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Peter Cushing and Basil Rathbone also did good Holmes.
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Dammit. Now I can't stop thinking about Petri (Petrie?) wine.



Context note: Basil Rathbone starred in a series of radio adaptations of Sherlock Holmes stories, sponsored by a never-ending torrent of advertisements for the aforementioned wine.
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Hey this was reasonably watchable even though I saw it largely because Avatar was sold out and my family couldn't agree on anything else.







Rachel McAdams is very attractive.
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Good god, yes she is. Moreso in this movie than in anything else I've ever seen her in. Just absurdly gorgeous. That said, something about the quality of her voice made her sound off for this movie.

Was still pretty good though, didn't get Guy Ritchie'd to death. Robert Downy Jr. was pretty amazing as always, and Jude Law/Mark Strong were also bringing it pretty well. Worth seeing.
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I don't trust Guy Ritchie with Sherlock Holmes.  Not at all.  I actually think I'd rather gouge my eyes out than pay money to see this.  And I totally trust a group of three writers where 2 of done almost nothing and another wrote Jumper, X-Men: The Last Stand, and XXX: State of the Union.  Oh and it's an AWESOME idea to make Sherlock Holmes into an action film.  Yeah, definitely avoiding the hell out of this one.  There already was a Sherlock Holmes, his name was Jeremy Brett.  Go watch his stuff, it's way freaking better than anything else on Holmes.

This.

Guy Ritchie is a scumbag director.
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Ahem, well maybe not so much a scumbag (I was a little drunk when I typed that) but an awful awful director. Rocknrolla was especially terrible. It's just a mess of overly "English" characters with no real personality. The plot makes little in the way of sense either. His movies just feel like they were directed by a 13 year old boy.

Mark Kermode can tell you more eloquently what I'm thinking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxQ0wsDVeJo

His review of the sherlock holmes movie is actually positive (because he thought it was nothing like ritchie's other movies)

but I'm still apprehensive about seeing it, because I'm such a huge Holmes fan, and I think they might have taken a little too much liberty with the script.
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Yeah, that Kermode was seriously, seriously awesome. I couldn't get past 15-20 minutes of Revolver and I think that Guy Ritchie is absolutely horrible. 

From what I've been reading Sherlock Holmes is a "buddy cop" movie.  I read it in one review and I was like "ok, let's breathe a little bit, this is one dude's opinion."  And then I read it another 4-5 and now I'm really angry. Another review said that Law and Downey could switch roles every other scene and no one would notice. 

The thing I absolutely hate about this Sherlock Holmes is that there could have been an absolutely INCREDIBLE contemporary film about Holmes that stood completely by the character.  Holmes is a great character with some really good flaws that would have translated perfectly to a set piece thriller.  You get a really good writer who's passionate who turns in a good script....not difficult.

BUT

What you get is a producer who wants a winter blockbuster so he hires a British director who has a lot of "flash and bang" but can't construct a decent story to save his life.  If anyone says that Ritchie can direct a movie that has any amount of depth, you need to grab the nearest heavy object and start hitting them with it.  There are people who would direct a much worse Holmes movie, but not that many.
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fuck these two guys, this movie was fun to watch.
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I went to see it last night and concur. It's entertaining as hell, and the slow-mo thing during the first three fight scenes somehow manages to not come off and totally corny.
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complaining about the level of action in this movie is a little odd, considering in the original stories holmes and watson were supposed to be pretty badass fighters.  watson as "bumbling sidekick" is not true to the stories at all.

also this movie rules.
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Yeah, here is kind of an accurate interpretation of what of what other writers did to Watson. If you read the books, actually I think they did a pretty good job with Watson's character.

I was pleasantly surprised by this movie. At first I was worried, then definitely wanted to see it just because of RDJ+cast, and I enjoyed it quite a bit! The four main characters were all well done and the story was interesting. I don't remember seeing any other Guy Ritchie, so I have no opinion on him, but I do say this was definitely an entertaining film.

Also, they did hit on several of Holmes' flaws, they just weren't the focus of the movies. Which really, they weren't in the books either.
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Watched it last night.

Really good fun to watch, although I probably back down on my thoughts about watching it more than once. Nevertheless it had pretty much everything I'd expected. It is a bit of a buddy-cop thing especially in terms of Sherlock's reaction to Watson's marriage, but after the second half of the movie they move the focus onto different things, which freshens it up a bit. And the talent of most of the actors in the cast is really up there in this film. Because all the slo-mo fight scenes only really happened at the start of the movie it gives the impression that they just couldn't be bothered going on with it (although obviously it's just so it doesn't get repetitive). Besides, they were really fun to watch.

Yeah and I didn't go into the cinema expecting real food for thought. It was just a blast watching Holmes and Watson beating up shit, Holmes being a wacko genius (channelling a bit of House personality) and of course, the small segment at the end where all is revealed by Holmes' mind - and that's the thing. Sherlock Holmes isn't usually about if he solves the case, it's how.

On a sidenote, Hans Zimmer, man. I thought that guy peaked in the early 2000s but I guess I was wrong now. Just ridiculously quirky and fun work he's made for this film. Also, the film's winner is the word discombobulate. Every time I think about that bit of the fight I giggle.
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I'm actually gonna echo you on most of what you said about this movie, except for the slo-mo scenes. I definitely think they should've included one more, if nothing else when Blackwood got taken down at the end, it would've been a nice pull back to the stuff at the beginning and would've been just as satisfying or more than what happened.
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I liked the slow-mo scenes in this movie mostly because they made sense. In movies like 300 it really has no point and gets annoying, but this one actually was showing how his mind was working which I thought was a useful trick. And yeah, it would have been nice if they'd used it more than twice in the beginning of the movie. (More as in maybe one or two more times in the film to balance it out.)
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Saw it, liked it. It reminded me of Iron Man, which I suppose is an obvious connection to make, but I think it was better than Iron Man, because it was tightly plotted, it had more than one good actor in it, and the villain was interesting. The buddy-cop vibe was easily the best thing about the film. Guy Ritchie doesn't keep Holmes and Watson apart for very long stretches at a time and its to the film's benefit. All the actors had good chemistry, and even the nameless and minor characters felt lived-in. I thought it was a bang-up job. I went in dubious at turning the cerebral screen-based Sherlock Holmes most kids of my age are familiar with into a balls-out Indiana Jones type but it worked pretty damn well (though as long as we're on the subject of charismatic actors in similar roles, Holmes is a lot more like Han Solo).

I didn't really care for the slow-mo sequences, or at least, I would've liked it if one of them didn't go exactly as planned. The fight with the three thugs in the middle of the movie would've been a good candidate. Guy Ritchie can film close combat sequences with a sense of space and logic - you know where everyone is in relation to everyone else at any one time, and that's something you can easily fuck up, if you're Chris Nolan at least. Overall I feel like Ritchie actually reined in his tendency for excess, which is good as like many of his post-Tarantino contemporaries he doesn't have QT's fidgety brightness that makes constant self-indulgence and style-is-substance verve anything less than completely fucking obnoxious (which Ritchie has been, frequently, in the recent past). Boy did good.

Now to the SPOILERS.


There's not a lot of the mystery to the film and I think that's just fine, frankly. I went into this (as I assume a lot of people have) with a keen eye for the con, and they didn't really try, which is, again, fine. The whole black magic angle is never meant to be convincing - we know that at the end Holmes is going to unravel all of Blackwood's tricks in a monologue at some point in true detective fashion, and most of the tricks are themselves pretty classic (faking of death though self-induced paralysis, poisoning bathwater, rigged gun etc.) They did include a nice little feat of misdirection in including Professor Moriarty. Having not thought about it (and the rumors of Brad Pitt's assumption of the role in the already-greenlit sequel) much before seeing the film, I simply assumed that the shadowy figure was of the Order from whence Blackwood came and that said Order was in league with Blackwood from the start. I turned out to be right but not in the right way. But they gave away the identity of the shadowy figure as soon as Holmes first mentioned the chalk on his jacket.
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Spoilers assumed now then?






Yeah I got that it was Moriarty right from the start, but that was partly because I assumed they were trying to make it viable for sequels and Lord Blackwood couldn't be the villain of a second film.
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...Iron Man...it had more than one good actor in it

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Yeah I'm sorry Iron Man had a ton of great actors in it.
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On a sidenote, Hans Zimmer, man. I thought that guy peaked in the early 2000s but I guess I was wrong now. Just ridiculously quirky and fun work he's made for this film. Also, the film's winner is the word discombobulate. Every time I think about that bit of the fight I giggle.

I sat through the credits to find out who had scored the movie. I wasn't very surprised when I found out it was him.
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Yeah I'm sorry Iron Man had a ton of great actors in it.
Who? Terrence "baby wipes" Howard? Gwyneth "fucking" Paltrow? If they're good they're not trying very hard. "RDJ carried the movie" isn't exactly a controversial position to take on Iron Man. Sherlock Holmes has more going for it than just a winning lead performance.

...Iron Man...it had more than one good actor in it

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Man every time I try to think about what Jeff Bridges said in that movie all I can recall is audible lip smacking in the place of dialogue. That's how you know he's a serious *smack* businessman, he *smack* does this.
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I like Paltrow quite a bit in Iron Man actually.
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Who? Terrence "baby wipes" Howard? Gwyneth "fucking" Paltrow? If they're good they're not trying very hard. "RDJ carried the movie" isn't exactly a controversial position to take on Iron Man. Sherlock Holmes has more going for it than just a winning lead performance.

Hopefully Iron Man 2 will try to solve this. It may work. Gwyneth Paltrow could be much better in the sequel.

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Man every time I try to think about what Jeff Bridges said in that movie all I can recall is audible lip smacking in the place of dialogue. That's how you know he's a serious *smack* businessman, he *smack* does this.

I keep getting this niggling feeling that Jeff Bridges makes that a habit whenever he acts in a film, but my knowledge of his acting career isn't really enough to make such a judgement. I think he did that in How To Lose Friends as well.
Granted it was a character with a similar sort of personality I guess?
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Man every time I try to think about what Jeff Bridges said in that movie all I can recall is audible lip smacking in the place of dialogue. That's how you know he's a serious *smack* businessman, he *smack* does this.

You're actually right, I just couldn't resist that line.
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Alright, so what I've read here has been kind of changing my mind for this movie a little bit.  Reading the things I've posted on this and a couple other things are a little embarrassing, I come off way too hostile, I think I need to calm down a little bit before posting about movies. 

I don't have a lot of confidence in this film, I don't like the direction they're taking Holmes....but I still have the entirety of Jeremy Brett's magnificence on my PS3 and this movie cannot take that away.  I'll probably end up watching this when it comes out as a DVD rip. 
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Just came from seeing this with the girlfriend, and we both enjoyed it
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Alright, so what I've read here has been kind of changing my mind for this movie a little bit.  Reading the things I've posted on this and a couple other things are a little embarrassing, I come off way too hostile, I think I need to calm down a little bit before posting about movies. 

Hyperbole plays a lot better in the context of humor. When you state your opinions using Hyperbole you start to sound like a *blech* teenager. And lets everyone be honest with ourselves. If half the shit we *knew* was true when we were young turned out to actually be true, we would be much better people. I actually really like the lyric "What made us think we were wise and we'd compromise", it conveys that especially well in a single line.

All that being said, Im looking forward to seeing this since like, oh say, Robin Hood, there has been more than a few interpretations, and I personally am more concerned about enjoying a movie than I am about it staying close to the source material. Except Deadpool in Wolverine: Orgins, creating a new character named after an old character with no resembling qualities is just plain dumb. Just inventing a new character with a new name would have been much better.
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But..I am a *blech* teenager for the next 5 days.  I've always had a problem with hyperbole and it's becoming a bigger deal because I need to start getting way past that phase. 

And doesn't Deadpool in Wolverine have some of the same characteristics: loudmouth, excellent with guns...I thought the only change they made was that they cast Ryan Reynolds into the movie and we'll not talk about the end because that was horrid.  But I thought him in the beginning was a little bit like Deadpool?  Mind you I know next to nothing about Marvel.
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Wasnt there just one scene, and then he 'died' or was captured or whatever. Deadpool the comic book character had like 4 minutes screentime before he became Deadpool the Captain Planet of all the Xmen combined... only evil.
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I just finally watched this movie and thoroughly enjoyed it. I completely regret skipping out on it the last time I went to the movies in favor of Avatar now. Maybe not the most subtle Sherlock Holmes movie that could've been made, but definitely one of the most entertaining. It captured the spirit of the books while keeping it fresh with modern action filmmaking.

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Watched this a while ago, glad someone else here posted in here again. 

I hated it.  Every time I tried looking at it I hated it.  As a Sherlock Holmes film it's stupid, so very, very stupid.  It completely destroys the relationship between Holmes and Watson and the characters themselves.  Why the hell does Watson have gambling problems, when was he a womanizer?  It bothered me so much that after a while I tried viewing it as something else, just a generic action film.

And generic it was.  It has so many generic action bits that the entire film was completely boring to me.  I won't spoil any of the major things but the execution of their actions ALWAYS saves them just in the nick of time.  When he pre-conceived all of his violent actions I was incredibly impressed and it was executed well but for every one of those moments there was another predictable action scene. 

In the end it felt to me much more like a scooby-doo movie than something that should befit the name of Sherlock Holmes.
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Your post is understandable, I quite enjoyed the movie but I can see how someone would dislike it. However this line stood out to me.

when was he a womanizer?

When was he a womanizer in this? Do you mean his engagement to Mary? The same woman he married in the actual canon? Minus an extremely heightened sense of deduction I felt that his portrayal (also ignoring the gambling addiction, something I never noticed if it was in the stories) was much more spot on than a certain Nigel Bruce's portrayal.
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Watson was never a womanizer from what I remember from the books. I don't remember a gambling problem either, but really that was a common problem in that time period and maybe they wanted to give Watson a flaw so he wasn't a perfect person when compared to Holmes, who is chock full of issues.
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I saw this. It was entertaining but also kinda dumb. The slow motion seemed completely out of place but meh. RDJ can still carry pretty much any role given to him. It is comforting to see Jude Law is still clinically unable to act. It did not feel like a Guy Ritchie film. The score was pretty good.
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