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Kick Ass (the movie)
David_Dovey:
Oh see that was probably my problem I went in expecting some sort of plot and characters that reacted to situations in a consistent and internally logical manner
There really is a lot to dislike about this film and it's kind of frustrating that most negative reviews have been framed by this bullshit hysterical moral panic.
Ebert's review hits the mark pretty squarely but a lot of what he says is diminished by the ever-tiresome "how is this affecting the children???" line.
scarred:
and by the fact that he says literally nothing except "this movie has no morals," which was pretty obvious from the trailers.
Alex C:
On the one hand, I really don't like this movie and I really don't like the comic. I really, really, really don't like them. Both works are basically asking for pats on the back for pointing out that escapist fiction is, uh, well, escapist and fictional. Jesus Christ. Okay, look, comic book fans know people couldn't really get away with the stuff super heroes do in comics. You shouldn't necessarily get a medal for pointing this out, particularly when the rest of your book basically does consist of them getting away with a fair amount of super hero bullshit, even if eventually they lose more than they gain. It comes off as smarmy, vulgar and condescending. So, in most ways I totally agree with Roger Ebert.
On the other hand, he's really fixated on the li'l girl thing and the think of the children angle. Man, fuck the children. I find it a li'l alarming that society can't be bothered to give a shit about something unless it happens to a kid. Bad things happen to people all of the time and dammit, that should concern us!
--- Quote from: scarred on 25 Apr 2010, 11:07 ---and by the fact that he says literally nothing except "this movie has no morals," which was pretty obvious from the trailers.
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Yes, but there's nothing wrong with expressing disapproval of something when you find it to be a morally bankrupt turd. I'm not a fan of censorship, mind you, but the nice thing about that position is that it means I also get to support Roger Ebert's right to tell someone that their film is bad and that they should feel bad. Ebert's probably mortified as hell that he even has to point this kind of shit out anymore.
David_Dovey:
--- Quote from: Alex C on 25 Apr 2010, 18:09 ---when the rest of your book basically does consist of them getting away with a fair amount of super hero bullshit, even if eventually they lose more than they gain
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Fuck that, literally the only bad thing of any continuing relevance that happens to the "good guys" is when <SPOILER>Big Daddy dies</SPOILER>, and that happened to a supporting player.
Sure Kick-Ass gets hit by a car and apparently loses the ability to feel pain but it is never mentioned or even fucking demonstrated in the film again and only the barest of lip-service is paid to his recovery til he is back to normal again and back to the same shenanigans as before. But then he turns into a actual factual superhero on what we are to assume is pure grit and determination at the snap of a finger and gets the girl* and basically displays absolutely no internal consistency or logic whatsoever.
*Actually the characterisation of the main love-interest girl is probably what bothers me the most about this flick although that probably has more to do with what I know about Mark Millar and I was kind of just going in expecting at least a little misogyny somewhere.
Blue Kitty:
The one thing that bugged me the most was that, despite getting his ass kicked quite a lot, they never actually showed any bruises, contusions, or other things showing he had his ass kicked. In the book the least he did was allude to being mugged and having on some bandages.
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