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KharBevNor:

--- Quote from: a pack of wolves on 08 Feb 2010, 23:49 ---Hideously overrated band, and from what I've heard Seth Putnam really is as big a dick as you might expect. Arsedestroyer and Sore Throat were far superior noisecore bands. Hell, I'd even listen to Twodeadsluts Onegoodfuck over Anal Cunt. They're down there with Cock And Ball Torture in terms of crap grind that far too many people inexplicably like.

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I don't think anyone over-rates them, they just find them amusing. It's pretty hard not to crack a grin at 'Stayin' Alive (Oi! Version).' (and who would really expect them to be nice people, although I used to be in vague contact with Seth Putnam through the Impaled Northern Moonforest forums and he didn't seem particularly bad, by the standards of extreme metal musicians). Also, I'm slipping in to serious genre confusion here. Sore Throat and Arsedestroyer I just think of as grindcore. To me noisecore is an industrial dance subgenre somewhere between power electronics and rhythmic noise. I take it you mean to refer to grindcore bands who place a particularly small emphasis on ideas like sounding like music and having songs more than half a minute long?

a pack of wolves:
Yeah, pretty much. It's one of those things where the big nerds will get all in a tizzy over what technically is and isn't noisecore (particularly due to that period in the early '00s when stuff like Johnny Truant and Converge were getting tagged as it), but for the most part it's just those grind bands that would really just rip without much regard for structure. I've got the Gore Beyond Necropsy stuff from the split with Arsedestroyer and Nikudorei on now and for good chunks it's hard to tell that's a band and not just straight out noise.

I really have seen far too many people properly rate AC, aside from the humour value. As for Putnam himself, he pissed a lot of people off at Blastonbury back in, oh, '07 I think? I wasn't there myself so this is proper second hand info, but general consensus was that he was a massive cock and they played terribly.

KharBevNor:
I would imagine, from what I know, that the extent to which Seth Putnam pisses people off probably has a lot to do with how much cocaine is inside him at the time. It's certainly no secret that AxCx have had some pretty high profile idiotic feuds and fights over the years. I actually kind of like some of their earlier stuff musically (h-h-hipster punch) but w/e. I have no idea what grind bands it's cool to like anyway, so my taste is always gonna sound terrible to people who know shitloads about it.

That said I do really think that most of the grind subgenres are pretty spurious, and this is from a dude who can distinguish between five or six distinct sorts of death metal.

Apart from mincecore of course. Mincecore slays.

a pack of wolves:
Particularly because of what mincecore means for Agathocles:


--- Quote from: Agathocles ---We have been using the name MINCE CORE already in the 80's, but just in the 90's, we used it more often because a homophobic movement had started in the grindscene, which is fucking it up. And as you know, we don't wanna have anything to do with such homophobic bands, because we don't support opinions which are based upon ignorance, fascist views, discrimination. We want the people to know that MINCE CORE stands for socially and politically aware GRINDCORE, the old roots of this kind of music.
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The whole idea of cool grind bands just seems daft to me. I mean, it's grind, it's about as uncool a music as you can get. In the UK even a big international band will be playing upstairs in pubs. The whole idea of a fest like Obscene Extreme is mindboggling to me, thousands of people all there for grindcore? Insane. So dividing it up into proper little subgenres also gets mental because it's just so niche, it isn't like death metal where there's loads more bands playing the music. So crust grind, death grind, tech grind, noisecore for me are more like descriptions of the type of grind being played than real subgenres.

On a side note, the Ablach album slays. I was loving their tracks on the European Fastness 5-way split anyway but with a bit more time to stretch their legs it works even better. Moshpit Tragedy have released it for download in their usual "pay what you want, even nothing" way. They've got the first Phobia album too, bonus!

KharBevNor:
What I meant is, I don't feel comfortable discussing my taste in grind, because I have no idea what grind bands are ridiculous to like. I don't even reliably know this stuff for metal anymore. I was banging around last.fm these months and apparently nowadays, listening to Amon Amarth is as bad as listening to Children of Bodom, funeral black is now called 'depressive suicidal black metal' and is for posers, Agalloch is a hipster band and Drudkh aren't nazis. Who makes up this stuff?

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