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[KharBevNor]

Worse than fucking Juggalos

[Melodic]

stfu khar

[KickThatBathProf]

i'm gonna write x's on the back of your hands in your sleep khar

[scarred]

I have never done the premarital sexy or smokey or dranken alcohols Khar what happen now?????

[Zingoleb]

Straight edge Juggalos?

[Spluff]

I had a 13 year old cousin who claimed she was straight edge. Come to think of it, I was straight edge when I was 13, even though I didn't realize it at the time.

[20 jazz funk greats]

true till 21!!!11~~~

hahaha no.

[20 jazz funk greats]

(i'm actually drinkin' right now. whoooo)

[sean]

fuckin' edge kids. 

i do not get that stoaked over edge bands.

[Radical AC]

I have never done the premarital sexy or smokey or dranken alcohols Khar what happen now?????

Would you refuse those if offered?  I think the idea is that it is an active choice.  Otherwise you are just lame or underage(read: lame)

It also helps to lecture your friends and complete strangers on how superior you are to them because you are edge.

[scarred]

NOPE

(read: i have done all those things, i was just being an ass)

[Nodaisho]

It irritates me so damn much that my friends keep calling me straight edge because I don't smoke or drink. I choose not to do it, not because I have a moral objection, but because I'm not interested. How difficult is that to understand?

[Be My Head]

You don't understand because you don't drink or smoke.

[ALoveSupreme]

[img width= height=]http://www.wrestlersramblings.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/punk.jpg[/img]

It irritates me so damn much that my friends keep calling me straight edge because I don't smoke or drink. I choose not to do it, not because I have a moral objection, but because I'm not interested. How difficult is that to understand?

This was also me until about 23 (not 21, 23), so I get what you are saying.  And really even now I only drink, like, if I have a couple people over and we are watching a movie or something... maybe one beer or so.  The kids that are edge that are cool are the ones that don't really talk about it and maybe jokingly listen to throwdown (but only you dont have to be blood to be family and maybe haymaker).  The rest are about as douchey as people who give enough of a shit to start threads about them on web forums.

[Thrillho]

It irritates me so damn much that my friends keep calling me straight edge because I don't smoke or drink. I choose not to do it, not because I have a moral objection, but because I'm not interested. How difficult is that to understand?

I've always felt that the connection to original hardcore/emo music was just as important to being straight edge as well, but it seems I may be a minority in that respect.

[Nodaisho]

I like what I have heard of Fugazi and Minor Threat, but I don't think that any of those friends are into the details of that era of music enough to know what that meas.

[BeoPuppy]

[...] The rest are about as douchey as people who give enough of a shit to start threads about them on web forums.

Smooth ... very smooth. Subtle too.

[David_Dovey]

CM PUNK SHIT YEAH

I've got a friend who doesn't drink or smoke or fuck and it is an active choice but he is also like the least punk person I know, he listens to Europop and shit, is he straight edge?

[KharBevNor]

The rest are about as douchey as people who give enough of a shit to start threads about them on web forums.

You, yes, you, the total cunt with no sense of humour.

How's shit?

[KharBevNor]

I wish I hadn't got better at typing whilst drunk now.

[The extra letter]

If you drink, have sex but don't do drugs can you be like 1/3 straight edge?

So like, 60 degree edge?

[Thrillho]

I'm going to answer you seriously because I like being a dick that way.

Straight edge has many definitions, some people choose to have sex in relationships and still consider themselves straight edge, others are so extreme with it that they don't even take paracetemol and refuse to have sex EVAR (mostly because the majority of people are idiots and don't know what 'promiscuous' actually means).

What you're basically saying is that Catholics and Baptists can't both be Christian.

Which to be fair would be a halfway reasonable argument.

No you shut up.

[The extra letter]

There are some whackos though that try to claim that Catholics aren't Christian, and are in fact polytheistic and all sorts of weird stuff.

What now?

[scarred]

Yeah but you said yourself they're wackos, sooo

[amok]

There are some whackos though that try to claim that Catholics aren't Christian, and are in fact polytheistic and all sorts of weird stuff.

there we go

[Ăśde]

Drugs aren't cool! Unless you're snorting cocaine at someone I guess.

[Melodic]

don't you DARE do cocaine at me young man

[Scandanavian War Machine]

you can snort cocaine at me, if you want.

However, I reserve the right to laugh at you when you have $80 missing from your wallet and all you have to show for it are numb teeth.

[Theriandros]

Can someone actually define what straight edge is?

[JD]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_edge

[amok]

Can someone actually define what straight edge is?

using arguably sensible lifestyle decisions as the basis for being a self-righteous git

[Theriandros]

It appears that I fit every qualification other than being obnoxious and liking punk.

[a pack of wolves]

fuckin' edge kids. 

i do not get that stoaked over edge bands.

If you don't like Limp Wrist, Chokehold, The Swarm, Judge, Vitamin X, What Happens Next?, Gorilla Biscuits, R.A.M.B.O., Scholastic Deth, Xfilesx Charles Bronson, Unbroken, Youth Of Today and Minor Threat then you have pretty terrible taste in hardcore. Sort it out.

So some edgers are obnoxious. Others believe drinking would impinge on their ability to circle pit and fuck with the man, and they make better records than anyone whining about them. Which is fair enough really, because it's not like any of you are ever going to write a song as good as I Love Hardcore Boys / I Love Boys Hardcore, Wall Of Death The System or Fucking Invincible At One A.M.

[KharBevNor]

Yeah let's fuck with the man by having the same morals as christian conservatives woop.

Wouldn't be so many goddamned terrible christian metalcore bands without straight-edge.

[Theriandros]

Yeah, because dying faster is really gonna stick it to the man.

[a pack of wolves]

Yeah let's fuck with the man by having the same morals as christian conservatives woop.

Wouldn't be so many goddamned terrible christian metalcore bands without straight-edge.

Yeah, we're the freaks in town
creepy horny queens with our rhinestone crowns
won't wed for the church or state
we're punk ass queers normalcy is what we hate

Military gays
what a bore
don't guinea pig me for your fucked up wars
log cabin queens, stuffy conservative shit
in the spirit of stonewall queens we'll put an end to it

T.V. shows Abercrombie gays galore
showing to the straight world we ain't weird no more
fuck all this pity me shit
bring on the drag kings with their big fake dicks
I'll hang with hustlers, leather boys, and punks
I'm not down with this normal world junk

Yeah, well Christian that. Even more Christian than that song where they sing about how Christianity needs to get the fuck out of hardcore. Or this one by another edge band:

How can you just show up there?
The white knight thats going to save the day
The only reason for being there is not to feed them food
But the Christian way believe in our white God and you will be fed
But to have your own religion means you'll starve to death
Religion on a stick you force feed the masses
The most weak and willing is where you begin
And until there is one world with one religion only then will you end
Are you a missionary for God or a missionary for money?
You say you're caring while you televise a guilt trip to make you rich
And how many die while your pockets keep getting filled?
The best damned business move was your story of Christ being killed
Your God is nothing more than a dollar sign and you don't care how many people die
You spend more on commercializing a cause than you do on feeding a nation

I feel the quote at the start that says "I dream of the hour when the last congressman is strangled to death on the guts of the last preacher" really underlines their dedication to Christ.

[KharBevNor]

So they're straight edge, and also 'creepy horny queens'?

[a pack of wolves]

Damn right.

[Ptommydski]

'creepy horny queens'?

Considering some of your own musical preferences, I would have thought this would have made you like them more.

[sean]

jesus christ khar i thought this was kind of amusing at first but goddamn the modern chirstian metalcore movement can hardly be related to straight edge.

(for the record i do actually get stoked on straight edge bands)

[KharBevNor]

Considering some of your own musical preferences, I would have thought this would have made you like them more.

Yeah but how does that square with not having sex?

Is that why they're horny?


Also man, I dunno. One moment you're making it a rebellion against rebellion or some shit not to drink because you don't like beer and you want to be uber cool, the next moment you've got Christians all over the place, fucking up your shit.

I suppose I could tolerate straight edge bands if they didn't sing about straight edge, but that's not what I've ever encountered. And it ain't like the bands are good enough for you to ignore lyrical foibles like that, like I do with all the crust bands I like that support the ALF.

Actually come to think of it I probably find it easier to listen to nazis than straight-edge bands.

[JD]

You know Christians aren't the only ones that tell you to abstain from sex before marriage.

[a pack of wolves]

Yeah but how does that square with not having sex?

Is that why they're horny?


Also man, I dunno. One moment you're making it a rebellion against rebellion or some shit not to drink because you don't like beer and you want to be uber cool, the next moment you've got Christians all over the place, fucking up your shit.

I suppose I could tolerate straight edge bands if they didn't sing about straight edge, but that's not what I've ever encountered. And it ain't like the bands are good enough for you to ignore lyrical foibles like that, like I do with all the crust bands I like that support the ALF.

Actually come to think of it I probably find it easier to listen to nazis than straight-edge bands.

No sex was never much of a thing. Even Mackaye didn't literally mean "don't fuck", he just thought spending huge amounts of your time and effort just trying to get laid and nothing else was a bit of a waste of time. He didn't have a problem with sex itself, and nor do most edge bands. Limp Wrist did after all write Cruisin' At The Show and We Started This Band To Get Dates (not to mention including pictures of dudes fucking in their records to mess with the straights), and when R.A.M.B.O. were asked about casual sex they said "nothing's more fun than making one of your friend's make funny noises." Straight edge is just about no drugs really. And really, what the hell is the problem with people not drinking and saying it's alright not to drink? It's no more obnoxious to say you enjoy not drinking than to write a song about how you do. Not that a lot of edge bands do, an awful lot are more likely to write songs about how self-righteous, Christian or pro-life edgers should fuck off than how being edge is awesome or anything. How many black metal bands have got songs about how much they hate NSBM?

And it wasn't a rebellion against rebellion. When it started you had seriously druggy punk scenes all over the place which were getting fucked because everyone had too many drug problems, and all the shitty sexist, homophobic mainstream bands would go on about how much drinking and drugs they did. Being drug free seems like an understandable reaction to that.

I think your basic problem with edge bands is that you don't really like thrashcore, youth crew and metalcore and that's what most edge bands play.

[KharBevNor]

How many black metal bands have got songs about how much they hate NSBM?

Three I can think of off the top of my head, a good few more if you expand that to hating nazis in general.

[a pack of wolves]

Huh. That's not a bad ratio at all really and quite pleasing even if it does knacker my point a bit. Such as? I'd like to hear them.

[KharBevNor]

Like er, Black Kronstadt, Ewig Frost, Narsyn, not so much bands that have stuff up on youtube. Search for 'RABM' on youtube and you might find something. Panopticon is probably the best known.

Also like, it's worth noting that 98% of black metal is completely a-political (unless you count anti-religious sentiment as politics), and plenty of much more well known bands from the black and viking scene have made public statements saying they don't support fascism, racism, etc. or at the very least that their music should not be read politically, way more than have written songs about it. I wouldn't particularly expect a band like Summoning, who released this statement to write a song against NSBM, because all their other songs are about Lord of the Rings and it would be pretty bizarre.

[JD]

I wouldn't particularly expect a band like Summoning, who released this statement to write a song against NSBM, because all their other songs are about Lord of the Rings and it would be pretty bizarre.

Man that is nerdy

Do they sing/growl in elvish?

[a pack of wolves]

Like er, Black Kronstadt, Ewig Frost, Narsyn, not so much bands that have stuff up on youtube. Search for 'RABM' on youtube and you might find something. Panopticon is probably the best known.

Also like, it's worth noting that 98% of black metal is completely a-political (unless you count anti-religious sentiment as politics), and plenty of much more well known bands from the black and viking scene have made public statements saying they don't support fascism, racism, etc. or at the very least that their music should not be read politically, way more than have written songs about it. I wouldn't particularly expect a band like Summoning, who released this statement to write a song against NSBM, because all their other songs are about Lord of the Rings and it would be pretty bizarre.

I wasn't meaning to pick on the BM bands, they get beaten with the NSBM stick even more than edge bands do with the self-righteous edger one, it just seemed to fit since you brought them up anyway.

But really edge bands aren't that bad and frequently spend a lot less time singing about the edge in any way than people usually make out they do. Plus I do rather like just how pissed off they manage to make people by their very existence when really it's not that big a deal. It always reminds me of the meat eaters who'll lose their shit when they find out somebody's vegan and make it into a big deal, getting all defensive (usually with rubbish arguments) when all the person did was turn down a cheese sandwich.

Hey, this Black Kronstadt stuff's pretty great. But after listening to them I know I'm going to spend ages trying to remember the name of this one blackened crust band from the UK who're active at the moment that's really good but I've gone and forgotten what they're called.

[Be My Head]

I wouldn't particularly expect a band like Summoning, who released this statement to write a song against NSBM, because all their other songs are about Lord of the Rings and it would be pretty bizarre.

Man that is nerdy

Do they sing/growl in elvish?

They're fucking awesome is all you need to know really. That letter shows how intelligent they are. I'll have to look at the rest of their site now...

[KharBevNor]

But really edge bands aren't that bad and frequently spend a lot less time singing about the edge in any way than people usually make out they do. Plus I do rather like just how pissed off they manage to make people by their very existence when really it's not that big a deal. It always reminds me of the meat eaters who'll lose their shit when they find out somebody's vegan and make it into a big deal, getting all defensive (usually with rubbish arguments) when all the person did was turn down a cheese sandwich.

I don't really care about the issue that much. I don't remember making this thread. That said, I could easily counter that I love that people get pissed off when I call straight-edgers out for being violent and oppressive, which is certainly 90% of what I've personally seen and heard of straight-edgers (and that's not taking into account Hardline which I hope you dislike as well). I used to have some straight edge friends (who thankfully grew up and 'broke their edge') and the stuff I heard from them was all generic hardcore about fighting at shows and how awesome they were for being straight-edge.

I could also say that I love it when vegans get pissed off when I call them out on trying to justify their personal choice with ridiculous, un-scientific, ill-informed arguments.