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What is Marigold's fundamental character?
TAG:
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--- Quote from: TAG on 09 Jun 2010, 09:24 ---guilt-trip makeouts* was worse.
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I seem to not understand this particular guilt-trip.
Angus was the first one to start asking awkward questions.
Marigold was only trying to fing reasons why Angus turned her down.
It was actually an ideal situation for Angus to inform Marigold about Faye.
Marigold just lacks balls to ask as directly as Angus have (done) and she did not mean guilt-trip intentionally.
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Point blank asks him if guilt tripping him into her would work.
Panels 3, 4, and 6 specifically.
Is it cold in here?:
After being surprised by the suggestion, denying that's what she was doing, and apologizing for creating the impression. Even if her question wasn't meant to be played for laughs, it's more desperate than manipulative. Not that desperate is likable, but it's a different kind of problem.
Is Marigold even socially skilled enough to be manipulative?
TAG:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 09 Jun 2010, 14:07 ---After being surprised by the suggestion, denying that's what she was doing, and apologizing for creating the impression. Even if her question wasn't meant to be played for laughs, it's more desperate than manipulative. Not that desperate is likable, but it's a different kind of problem.
Is Marigold even socially skilled enough to be manipulative?
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You could maybe maaaaaayyyyybe play off the "Would that work" as a really bad joke. That's why I included panel 3 where she blatantly is guilt tripping him, too. Justifying away those two panels is bending way the hell backward to "save" Marigold though.
And that's excluding the "pity me" in panel 2 or the short dress with a lot of cleavage to a casual youtube party.
QED:
--- Quote from: TAG on 09 Jun 2010, 14:21 ---You could maybe maaaaaayyyyybe play off the "Would that work" as a really bad joke. That's why I included panel 3 where she blatantly is guilt tripping him, too. Justifying away those two panels is bending way the hell backward to "save" Marigold though.
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Considering panel 6: Talking about guilt tripping is something entirely different from an actual guilt tripping. But, looking cute when blushing, that maybe could be used for guilt tripping. Of course, it is again unintentional.
--- Quote from: TAG on 09 Jun 2010, 14:21 ---And that's excluding the "pity me" in panel 2 or the short dress with a lot of cleavage to a casual youtube party.
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Yes. Marigold has grown from her usual "I am such a loser" attitude and unwashed look. Maybe some time in the future, she could have a power to remind Angus how his not-telling-about-Faye did hurt her, and use this guilt trip to steal some of the attention he has for Faye. But even then, I am not sure she would be willing to do that.
Anyway, subject of this thread is about fundamental character (as opposed to superficial).
Oh, but maybe you were not talking about her fundamental character at all:
--- Quote from: TAG on 09 Jun 2010, 09:24 ---Being unaware of your actions does not excuse them; the incident with Momo and the expectations with Angus are big examples of "Marigold first". Not tipping a delivery guy is pretty rude in the States, slamming a door in his face was vile, guilt-trip makeouts* was worse. The non-stop pity party just makes her boring and unappealing.
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Maybe you were just telling us how she pisses you off so much.
Yes, she could do better. (Assuming she has ever been at the housemates party.)
TAG:
--- Quote from: QED on 09 Jun 2010, 15:15 ---
--- Quote from: TAG on 09 Jun 2010, 14:21 ---You could maybe maaaaaayyyyybe play off the "Would that work" as a really bad joke. That's why I included panel 3 where she blatantly is guilt tripping him, too. Justifying away those two panels is bending way the hell backward to "save" Marigold though.
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Considering panel 6: Talking about guilt tripping is something entirely different from an actual guilt tripping. But, looking cute when blushing, that maybe could be used for guilt tripping. Of course, it is again unintentional.
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Panel 3: Actual guilt tripping, planned or not.
Panel 6: If not written off as a joke, implicitly condoning the idea that guilt-tripping (emotional blackmail) someone into a relationship or sex is an OK move.
The rest of your responses are sort of only tangentially related to what you quote from me so I don't know how to respond. Wearing a revealing party dress to casual night in is not growing up (and why would a social shut in have such a thing anyway); she's dressed appropriately to all previous outings so you can't just write it off as her normal social cluelessness. Plus I was generously excluding it from my point anyway, she already incriminated herself enough before that. Calling her selfish, rude, whiny, and morally questionable is about her character. So... yeah?
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