Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCT: 7-11 June 2010 (1681-1685)
JackFaerie:
--- Quote from: Nightson on 07 Jun 2010, 15:36 ---
The friends don't matter in this situation because they aren't the ones being acted on, the drunk girl is and how she feels about it is what matters.
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Um. So if the drunk girl has low self-esteem or other issues, and when she wakes up decides that "she probably deserved it"or it wasn't such a big deal (and maybe it's happened before), that makes it ok? NO, because the act is despicable regardless of the victim's tolerance for it.
In many parts of the world, groups of guys DO consider it "ok" to take advantage of women, and women are encouraged to just buck up and accept it too. Still doesn't make it ok.
In other parts of the world, it isn't considered out of the ordinary for a man to beat his wife, and if she gets hit, the wife doesn't consider leaving her husband because "it's not really a big deal," "he only hits me, it's not like he breaks bones or does real damage" and "it's just something all women have to deal with." Still doesn't make it ok.
For a less emotionally abrasive example, take drinking--something else Faye has a problem with, and which she's been called on (although not without prompting from someone outside her Dora-Marten inner circle). Imagine a group of friends where one of them drinks to the point of blacking out on a regular basis, acts dangerously when drunk, etc. Even if no one calls the drinker on the problem, and greet each blackout as "Oh well, haha, there goes Tom again!" "Oh, we keep that puke bucket specifically for Tommergencies"--that doesn't make Tom's behavior not a problem somehow. Outside observers are still entitled to look at the situation and go "uh, that's not good, and not ok."
I don't care that Dora, Marten and Angus for some reason have decided that "it's just Faye!" and they're willing to accept that behavior--it is unacceptable and they're enablers. She hits people to blow off steam or for fun or when she's irritated, and she leaves painful bruises. Not just "accidentally" or sometimes, but pretty much every time. She's punched Hannelore and bruised her! She thinks it is ok to hurt people for her entertainment or as a way of expressing displeasure. That is NOT an acceptable mindset, and I don't care what her friends think of it.
Sorflakne:
Panel 4: Aaaaand Mari's heart is torn apart by a bladestorming warrior (WoW joke...you won't get it if you don't play).
--- Quote from: tinkerbell on 07 Jun 2010, 14:45 ---
--- Quote from: Prince of Space on 07 Jun 2010, 13:37 ---People should start punching Faye back, methinks...
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Methinks that if any of the guys did that then the forum would explode with debate about violence against women. I do not think Jeph really wants the cast to be beating on each other that much.
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I would never hit a woman, but if she came at me swinging for real and not playing around, I'll do what's necessary for self-defense, even if it means clocking her in the jaw.
Prince of Space:
--- Quote from: Sorflakne on 07 Jun 2010, 17:08 ---I would never hit a woman, but if she came at me swinging for real and not playing around, I'll do what's necessary for self-defense, even if it means clocking her in the jaw.
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As you should. Women who hit and know they won't get hit back are cowards anyway. Faye needs someone to clean her clock. Please Jeph? Pretty please?
TAG:
--- Quote from: JackFaerie on 07 Jun 2010, 16:26 ---
--- Quote from: Nightson on 07 Jun 2010, 15:36 ---
The friends don't matter in this situation because they aren't the ones being acted on, the drunk girl is and how she feels about it is what matters.
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Um. So if the drunk girl has low self-esteem or other issues, and when she wakes up decides that "she probably deserved it"or it wasn't such a big deal (and maybe it's happened before), that makes it ok? NO, because the act is despicable regardless of the victim's tolerance for it.
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Its a flawed comparison because alcohol impairs one's judgment. She can't be ok or not ok with it, which defaults to no consent. Acceptance after the fact is not the same as consent either.
The guys are ok with it as and right after they are being hit, sober or no. Why judge for them in that case?
Tuitsuro:
It's more socially acceptable for a woman to hit a man, than for a man to hit a woman. Neither should be acceptable, but I was punched by plenty of girls in school; you couldn't really complain about it, and god help you if you hit back. But, I think if either Marten or Angus were to say to Faye, 'Don't hit me anymore', she'd probably get the message and back off. Or she might've gotten the message once Angus comes back with an ice-pak covering a huge welt on his arm...
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