Topic: Lou Reed, John Zorn and Laurie Anderson booed by Montreal Jazz Fest crowd (Read 21826 times)

Be My Head · « **on:** 07 Jul 2010, 20:10 »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/jul/05/lou-reed-booed-free-improv
http://www.spinner.com/2010/07/02/lou-reed-laurie-anderson-john-zorn-montreal-jazz-festival/2

The actual music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhfz6u4jjpQ

I think this is complete BS, if you went to the show expecting something without ever having listened to the artists (hearing that one Velvet Underground song from that one movie doesn't count), and then decide to get angry when it's OMG not what you expected, then proceed to boo the musicians and demand your money back, you are a fucking dick. I don't care how much you paid for the ticket. Going to a show and not knowing what to expect in terms of the sound is a fucking idiotic move.

P.S. John Zorn kicks ass

20 jazz funk greats · « **Reply #1 on:** 07 Jul 2010, 20:35 »

well i went to see future of the left without having listened to them first just cause i used to be completely obsessed with mclusky. guess that means i'm doing it wrong!

john zorn is pretty awesome.

Be My Head · « **Reply #2 on:** 07 Jul 2010, 20:40 »

But you probably didn't boo them and demand you get a refund...at least I hope not.

Akima · « **Reply #3 on:** 07 Jul 2010, 21:43 »

Quote from: Be My Head on 07 Jul 2010, 20:10

I think this is complete BS, if you went to the show expecting something without ever having listened to the artists (hearing that one Velvet Underground song from that one movie doesn't count), and then decide to get angry when it's OMG not what you expected, then proceed to boo the musicians and demand your money back, you are a fucking dick. I don't care how much you paid for the ticket. Going to a show and not knowing what to expect in terms of the sound is a fucking idiotic move.

Couldn't agree more. I once went to an erhu recital, and one nitwit marched out half-way through the first piece muttering something rude about Chinese music, but even he didn't boo! As you say, given the names of the performers, what did the boo-ers (or should that be boors?) expect? I mean, The Velvet Underground was like a hundred years ago, and artists move on. If they wanted to hear time-capsule music, they could have gone to a Stones concert...

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #4 on:** 07 Jul 2010, 23:41 »

It's an ode to laziness that show-goers didn't bother to google/youtube/wiki where they were going.

KvP · « **Reply #5 on:** 08 Jul 2010, 02:45 »

My understanding of festivals is that most people don't really plan most of their experience, they just drift around between the acts they actively pursue and will get caught up in whatever is playing in the meantime. People have this sort of reaction to a real punk rock attitude from performers. It's not because they're stupid, it's because they aren't in on the joke / they feel insulted. When I went to Toronto the whole gang and I went to see a show featuring a noise artist who put on a big act about being petulant onstage. I wasn't really into it, primarily because I could see the light coming out of the seams in his dickhead costume and aside from rude sax skronking I wasn't really feeling the performance. Remote contempt is not really a suitable substitute for actual enthusiasm in live performance.

As for the music itself, sorry to say it but if you're not already a a Zorn / Reed / Anderson fan, your reaction to the music is going to depend on your tolerance of massive exposure to self-regard. The argument from importance isn't nearly as effective as we music geeks would like it to be. A lot of people, the vast majority I would say, have a violent reaction to avant-garde improv music. And frankly, if the legends onstage ever gave a fuck about whatever scorn they would receive on the occasion of their Very Momentous Set, they had no business doing it.

Ptommydski · « **Reply #6 on:** 08 Jul 2010, 04:57 »

Were they saying "Boo" or "Lou"?

E. Spaceman · « **Reply #7 on:** 08 Jul 2010, 05:27 »

Boo Reed!

KharBevNor · « **Reply #8 on:** 08 Jul 2010, 05:36 »

Quote from: Be My Head on 07 Jul 2010, 20:10

The actual music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhfz6u4jjpQ

Canadians need to do more drugs, this is pretty nice!

negative creep · « **Reply #9 on:** 08 Jul 2010, 07:19 »

Yes, I think it's really pretty good, that thing.

carrotosaurus · « **Reply #10 on:** 08 Jul 2010, 07:29 »

I was saying Boo-Urns

Also, I wish I was at this show.

rynne · « **Reply #11 on:** 08 Jul 2010, 15:42 »

Der, I don't know what to expect from the folks who gave us Metal Machine Music, Naked City, and “Music for Dogs”.

gospel · « **Reply #12 on:** 11 Jul 2010, 15:09 »

I would have imagined any self-proclaimed--even casual--fan of jazz would be fine with dissonant notes and off-beat music. It's not like a No-Wave band got up there (which I would have been been happy with too).

Johnny C · « **Reply #13 on:** 11 Jul 2010, 23:54 »

Quote from: Ptommydski on 08 Jul 2010, 04:57

Were they saying "Boo" or "Lou"?

They were saying "Lou-urns!"

Johnny C · « **Reply #14 on:** 11 Jul 2010, 23:55 »

i don't give a SHIT that someone else made that joke already i wanted to see it done right

Johnny C · « **Reply #15 on:** 11 Jul 2010, 23:59 »

Quote from: Be My Head on 07 Jul 2010, 20:10

The actual music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhfz6u4jjpQ

oh my god this is so fucking bad lmao

Damnable Fiend · « **Reply #16 on:** 12 Jul 2010, 00:41 »

Quote from: gospel on 11 Jul 2010, 15:09

I would have imagined any self-proclaimed--even casual--fan of jazz would be fine with dissonant notes and off-beat music. It's not like a No-Wave band got up there (which I would have been been happy with too).

that's what I was going to say. To me, this doesn't sound half as challenging as, say, any free jazz ever, for instance.

also, I would have paid to see this, if I were in Montreal. What's on the video sounds awesome

Johnny C · « **Reply #17 on:** 13 Jul 2010, 09:42 »

i'll take it

KharBevNor · « **Reply #18 on:** 13 Jul 2010, 14:13 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 11 Jul 2010, 23:59

oh my god this is so fucking bad lmao

You like Paramore.

Johnny C · « **Reply #19 on:** 13 Jul 2010, 17:18 »

yeah and even i think that's shit

KharBevNor · « **Reply #20 on:** 13 Jul 2010, 21:03 »

I'm just putting it clearly and non-judgementally on the record that you like Paramore is all. No need to get all smart mouthed.

TheFuriousWombat · « **Reply #21 on:** 14 Jul 2010, 02:19 »

People were pissed about that?! That's straightforward listenable right there. Boy was I expecting something far more abrasive and abstract. Personally I think it sounds pretty darn good.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #22 on:** 14 Jul 2010, 03:26 »

But then, you probably don't like Paramore.

Johnny C · « **Reply #23 on:** 16 Jul 2010, 02:08 »

Quote from: KharBevNor on 13 Jul 2010, 21:03

I'm just putting it clearly and non-judgementally on the record that you like Paramore is all. No need to get all smart mouthed.

it's already on the record. here's a thing i wouldn't put on any record though: that song by john zorn, lou reed, and laurie anderson

Johnny C · « **Reply #24 on:** 16 Jul 2010, 02:08 »

well maybe i'd put it on a record that i'd want to give to someone as a gift

Johnny C · « **Reply #25 on:** 16 Jul 2010, 02:08 »

someone i hate

KharBevNor · « **Reply #26 on:** 18 Jul 2010, 13:46 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 16 Jul 2010, 02:08

it's already on the record. here's a thing i wouldn't put on any record though: that song by john zorn, lou reed, and laurie anderson

You just called a non-lyrical composition a song, you dildo.

Johnny C · « **Reply #27 on:** 19 Jul 2010, 09:15 »

yeah it's easier to type than "non-lyrical composition"

Patrick · « **Reply #28 on:** 19 Jul 2010, 13:00 »

While I wouldn't put it on a record player either it's not something I'd boo

amok · « **Reply #29 on:** 19 Jul 2010, 14:14 »

Agree with the above. I'd be too busy moving away from it to boo it.

Rizzo · « **Reply #30 on:** 20 Jul 2010, 01:13 »

Not my cup of tea but it's a shit-tonne better than half the shit you folk seem to love cough*deerhoof*cough.

brew · « **Reply #31 on:** 21 Jul 2010, 18:30 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 19 Jul 2010, 09:15

yeah it's easier to type than "non-lyrical composition"

piece

KharBevNor · « **Reply #32 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 01:32 »

I like the cut of your jib.

Spluff · « **Reply #33 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 02:46 »

That is good stuff. Fuck you, Montreal.

Johnny C · « **Reply #34 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 05:22 »

Quote from: KharBevNor on 22 Jul 2010, 01:32

I like the cut of your jib.

as opposed to the music in the op which is impossible to like

Johnny C · « **Reply #35 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 05:24 »

Quote from: KharBevNor on 22 Jul 2010, 01:32

I like the cut of your jib.

like don't you fucking rail against music theory and shit, where do you even fucking get off being pedantic about the use of "song," "composition" and "piece," AND in addition what makes you think i don't know the difference between the three and also what makes you think i'm not using "song" and "composition" as verbal shorthand for the fuckin garbage improvised tripe these three silver spoon morons think is worth anyone's time and money

KharBevNor · « **Reply #36 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 07:24 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 22 Jul 2010, 05:24

what makes you think i'm not using "song" and "composition" as verbal shorthand for the fuckin garbage improvised tripe these three silver spoon morons think is worth anyone's time and money

Largely, it's the fact that you like Paramore.

TheFuriousWombat · « **Reply #37 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 07:26 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 22 Jul 2010, 05:24

Quote from: KharBevNor on 22 Jul 2010, 01:32
I like the cut of your jib.

like don't you fucking rail against music theory and shit, where do you even fucking get off being pedantic about the use of "song," "composition" and "piece," AND in addition what makes you think i don't know the difference between the three and also what makes you think i'm not using "song" and "composition" as verbal shorthand for the fuckin garbage improvised tripe these three silver spoon morons think is worth anyone's time and money

lol

scarred · « **Reply #38 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 08:01 »

this thread got awesome fast

Johnny C · « **Reply #39 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 10:09 »

"you like paramore" well you feel it's your place to defend these tone-deaf self-important baby boomer shitstains by trying to impugn the credibility of the dude who straight up says "this shit sucks" as if listening to a pop-rock band on an independent label that has nevertheless seen top 40 success somehow disqualifies someone from listening to a bunch of indulgent masturbatory "tonal explorations" or whatever and like instantly seeing through it for the absolutely irredeemable garbage for idiot babies with fucking goatees and fedoras who use the phrase "hmm yes" that it actually is. this music is for dudes who still don't see the problem with wearing embroidered flame-design button-ups but just stopped wearing them because everyone else did. this is music for fucking die-hard john zorn fans, i.e. dudes mostly or totally lacking in social graces. i honestly don't understand what the compulsion is to defend these rich people who can get away with not bothering to do anything interesting on account of their names once meant "cool," other than it belies some kind of desperately craved iconoclasm.

Johnny C · « **Reply #40 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 10:10 »

the punks grew up and now they own legitimate businesses. that's what this music fuckin sounds like

Johnny C · « **Reply #41 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 10:11 »

this is the music my dad would make if he got into jazz but also if he was a tedious self-satisfied fuck

Ptommydski · « **Reply #42 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 10:43 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 22 Jul 2010, 10:10

the punks grew up and now they own legitimate businesses. that's what this music fuckin sounds like

??

Ptommydski · « **Reply #43 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 10:49 »

Ptommydski · « **Reply #44 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 10:53 »

KharBevNor · « **Reply #45 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 11:06 »

Johnny, delayed-action triple posts become kinda ineffective if you use them three times on the same page plus double posts.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #46 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 11:06 »

I mean look at this shit.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #47 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 11:07 »

It's lame as fuck.

Ptommydski · « **Reply #48 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 11:10 »

Dang I just realised I triple posted too, without even thinking about it.

pwhodges · « **Reply #49 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 11:36 »

But at least you realised on a page break.

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