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[Vuk]

I figured I would make this a thread, since they have a new album coming out, and brooklynvegan just posted a new song and tour dates from them. The new song is pretty interesting - I swear, it almost has an emo/melodic hardcore vibe. But mostly, I'm really stoked to see that they are finally coming through here.

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2010/08/envy_releasing.html

Envy - Recitation Tracklisting
1. Guidance
2. Last Hours Of Eternity
3. Rain Clouds Running In A Holy Night
4. Pierces Of The Moon I Weaved
5. Lights And Solitude
6. Dreams Coming To An End
7. Imcomplete
8. Worn Heels And The Hands We Hold
9. A Hint And The Incapacity
10. A Breath Clad In Happiness
11. 0 And 1
12. Your Hand

--
ENVY - 2010 TOUR DATES
09/25/10 Baltimore, MD The Ottobar *
09/26/10 Philadelphia, PA First Unitarian Church *
09/28/10 Allston, MA Harper's Ferry **
09/29/10 Providence, RI Jerky's Live Music Hall **
09/30/10 New York, NY Santos Party House**
10/01/10 New Haven, CT Lily's Pad at Toad's Place**
10/02/10 Toronto, ON Sneaky Dee's**
10/04/10 Buffalo, NY Mohawk Place**
10/05/10 Pittsburgh, PA Rex Theater **
10/06/10 Cleveland, OH Grog Shop **
10/07/10 Detroit, MI Magic Stick**
10/08/10 Chicago, IL Reggie's Rock Club**
10/09/10 Minneapolis, MN Triple Rock**
10/10/10 Lawrence, KS Jackpot Music Hall**
10/12/10 Denver, CO Bluebird Theater**
10/13/10 Ogden, UT The Basement**
10/15/10 Seattle, WA El Corazon***
10/16/10 Portland, OR Hawthorne Theater***
10/18/10 San Francisco, CA Cafe Du Nord ***
10/19/10 Anaheim, CA Chain Reaction ***
10/20/10 West Hollywood, CA Troubadour***
10/22/10 San Diego, CA The Casbah***
10/23/10 Mesa, AZ The Underground***
10/25/10 Denton, TX Rubber Gloves***
10/26/10 Austin, TX Emo's Alternative Lounging (Indoor) ***
* Touche Amore, And So I Watched You From Afar
** Trash Talk, Touche Amore, And So I Watched You From Afar
*** La Dispute, Touche Amore, And So I Watched You From Afar

Thoughts on this band, in general? A Dead Sinking Story is easily one of my favourite albums of all time, but Insomniac Doze comes close as well.

[sean]

The new song is pretty interesting - I swear, it almost has an emo/melodic hardcore vibe.

thats cause they were originally a hardcore/emo band?

[sean]

this new song kind of blows though. which is weird cause recently they've been sucking cause they sound like a shitty post rock band and now they sound like a shitty pop punk band. hopefully the other songs dont blow. i might still try to see them in baltimore though, since they are playing with touche amore and they actually rip.

[Vuk]

I never really listened to their early stuff, so I wouldn't know. There's another track, though, on this podcast with Aidan Moffat, and it's a lot more like A Dead Sinking Story-era Envy.

[pinkpiche]

Wow.... Uhm I don't know what to say to that track. What the hell? I think they've finally fallen from their throne. That's just standard pop-punk riffing.

I have to listen to Left Hand now...

[Vuk]

Lol, that definitely isn't "pop-punk" riffing. There is nothing punk about it.

[a pack of wolves]

Oh come on, they sound like they're angling to get a record on Snuffy Smile with that track. It's really straight up punk rock. Which is no bad thing in my book, I remember thinking A Dead Sinking Story was alright but I haven't listened to it in years and the more post rock they got the less I cared. This is an improvement, they needed to be less boring.

[Cire27]

The new song is pretty interesting - I swear, it almost has an emo/melodic hardcore vibe.

Lol, that definitely isn't "pop-punk" riffing. There is nothing punk about it.

What?

Edit since I suck at quotes.

[Vuk]

Yeah? Since when are emo, melodic hardcore, and pop-punk one and the same? And since when is riffing in hardcore the same as punk riffing?

Anyway, here's another song from the album. I thought I posted it already, but I just saw that I didn't.

http://radiomagnetic.com/shows/mogwai-rock-action/mogcast-6-featuring-aidan-moffat/

[sean]

wait, what?

[sean]

also the other new song is the same old boring post rock shit they've been doing lately. envy is a really terrible post rock band, and they are a shitty pop punk band too. they should just be an actual hardcore band again.

[Vuk]

I still fail to see how that is a pop-punk song, but oh well. I haven't heard their early material, like I said, but I think they do post-rock better than a lot of post-rock bands.

[TheFuriousWombat]

I think they do post-rock better than a lot of post-rock bands.

wait, what?

[Cire27]

I still don't know how emo and hardcore have nothing to do with punk.

[a pack of wolves]

Yeah? Since when are emo, melodic hardcore, and pop-punk one and the same? And since when is riffing in hardcore the same as punk riffing?

I think I see your problem here. Hardcore is punk so it's always been the same as punk riffing, same goes for emo. Hence the confusion when you were saying that the song wasn't punk in the slightest and that it sounded like melodic hardcore since that doesn't make any sense. 88 Fingers Louie are a good band for showing how the boundary between melodic hardcore and melodic (or arguably even pop-) punk often doesn't mean much, they flit between the two often without a problem. Or then there's the early Saves The Day records, where the intent is pretty pop-punk but the way they go about it is by making hardcore as poppy as possible. I agree with you that the song's more melodic hardcore/emo than pop-punk, but there's just not that far to go between the two.

[sean]

vuk, are you one of those people who say hardcore but really mean shitty christian metalcore?

if you are, its okay, we can help you.

[Cire27]

Slightly understandable because The Devil Wears Prada is a terrible band.

[Vuk]

I meant that it's not punk in the traditional sense; I know that hardcore is a subgenre of punk. Saying that there wasn't anything punk about it was definitely an exaggeration on my part, but I still feel that pop-punk differs from melodic hardcore/emo enough, that it's wrong to so confidently label the song as such.

Especially if there is such a thin line between one style and the other - that just means there are little things separating them, but they are distinguishable details regardless. I can see what you guys mean, though. The main riff could pass for emo or pop-punk, so it really goes either way. I think it's cool how Envy put their own spin on the pop-punk thing, though.

[sean]

wait what do you think hardcore/emo is?

[Vuk]

All the stuff influenced by Lifetime, and bands like that. Stuff like Title Fight, More Than Life, Agent, etc.

[Cire27]

 Wait, what?

[Vuk]

melodic hardcore/emo

wait what do you think hardcore/emo is?

All the stuff influenced by Lifetime, and bands like that. Stuff like Title Fight, More Than Life, Agent, etc.

I figured when he said hardcore/emo he was referring to when I said melodic hardcore/emo.

[Cire27]

I blame Dag Nasty entirely for all this confusion.

[Ptommydski]

I blame Dag Nasty entirely for all this confusion.

Me too.

[Cire27]

From years of lurking this forum I somehow knew you'd post in here soon after that.

[SWOON! at My Gravitas]

You're wasted on us, Tommy Dski.

[Ballard]

I still fail to see how that is a pop-punk song

This song is like several dozen songs by The Ataris only with screaming vocals.

You're really eating your foot pretty bad in this thread and it's funny to watch.

[Vuk]

I blame Dag Nasty entirely for all this confusion.

Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to claim that "melodic hardcore/emo" is a specific genre, I was just trying to explain what kind of sound I'm referring to, due to lack of a better term.

And I don't really mind people correcting me on this stuff, because I've never had the greatest knowledge of genres, and people label stuff differently on every board I've posted on.

[David_Dovey]

Here's yr decoder ring, man: Everybody else is wrong, we're right. Listen to us.

[Cire27]