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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #50 on: 01 Sep 2010, 21:20 »

me and my current girlfriend started kind of living with each other since the beginning of the relationship, partly because we live in the same apartment complex, and partly because at the beginning we were snowed in for over a week.
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« Reply #51 on: 01 Sep 2010, 23:48 »

As in, don't rush it? You've got me thinking of the late, great Robert B Parker's detective Spenser, who was in a monogamous relationship with the same woman for some thirty years, but they never moved in together (tried once, backed off) or married.
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« Reply #52 on: 02 Sep 2010, 02:25 »

My wife and I lived together for two years before getting married.  We'd been good friends for about 3 years before that, and what started out as rent sharing evolved into genuine love.  We've been together now for 26 years, and yes, there have been stupid fights.  But we know each other well, and love each other enough, to forgive and work hard to get through the occasional bullshit. 

Course, the last kid's off to college next year...  we'll see if we can survive that change! 
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #53 on: 02 Sep 2010, 02:32 »

Just to give you a target to aim for - my parents will be celebrating their 63rd wedding anniversary this month.
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« Reply #54 on: 02 Sep 2010, 05:55 »

If I'm remembering right, the results fall under the heading of "Doesn't Help; Makes It Worse" -- basically people see moving in together as a safety valve, but then feel too wrapped up into it and decide that after living together for a while they're supposed to get married, with the net result being that people who would have broken up if they weren't living together end up getting married when they shouldn't and contribute to the divorce rate when they can't take it any more.
Ah, but there's also an alternate way to interpret the results - people who move in together are more likely to have progressive social attitudes, or at least progressive enough not to believe moving in together before marriage is a SIN OF HELLFIRE. That means they probably also don't believe that divorce should almost never be an option, and might therefore be more inclined to break up/get divorced if the relationship becomes intolerable, rather than sticking it out for reasons of "til death do us part", "marriage is always forever so you'd better bloody well stick with it" reasons.

This is coming from a person who was once told by a religious education teacher, with regard to her grandparents' marriage, "... well, God never said you needed to be happy!"
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #55 on: 02 Sep 2010, 22:36 »

I mean, seriously, if you act that way in your relationships, you deserve to be alone.

Remind me why divorce is so common now as to be considered normal.

Everyone has their quirks; a degree of tolerance, understanding, and eventually help, is necessary to stable marriage - and in the end, society.

Remind me again why divorce is a bad thing?

Wait, hold on, I've got to go help gramma up the stairs - she don't walk too good since grampa broke her fucking leg.

Wait, hold on, I've got to go help my bro Ben move a couch - oops, he's in jail for the rest of his life because his wife convinced him to take the fall for her killing their baby.

Wait, hold on, I've got to go over to my father's house and help him fix the roof - he can't afford a contractor since his ex-wife squandered the savings.


I could go on for hours.

Well, for normal people it's considered a bad thing.

When divorce happens because you're too lazy to even get along with the person you promised to love for the rest of your life, you're weak.
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« Reply #56 on: 02 Sep 2010, 22:47 »

[...]

Well, for normal people it's considered a bad thing.

When divorce happens because you're too lazy to even get along with the person you promised to love for the rest of your life, you're weak.

It depends on the situation:

If a person is divorcing someone because they've seen someone more attractive then I would agree with you.  If a person is divorcing someone because their spoused attacke them and put that person in the hospital then the person is being sensible (especially if it's not the first time).
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #57 on: 02 Sep 2010, 22:55 »

[...]

Well, for normal people it's considered a bad thing.

When divorce happens because you're too lazy to even get along with the person you promised to love for the rest of your life, you're weak.

It depends on the situation:

If a person is divorcing someone because they've seen someone more attractive then I would agree with you.  If a person is divorcing someone because their spoused attacke them and put that person in the hospital then the person is being sensible (especially if it's not the first time).

I really tried to word it in such a way that made it clear that I wouldn't expect abuse victims to stay with their abuser.
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #58 on: 02 Sep 2010, 23:33 »

Yo dawg, I heard that marriage is the leading cause of divorce.  A full 100% of people who have been divorced have, at some point or another, been married.  The statistics wouldn't lie to you, would they?  If you don't want to get divorced, don't get married, and you'll never have that problem!  8-)
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« Reply #59 on: 02 Sep 2010, 23:41 »

Yo dawg, I heard that marriage is the leading cause of divorce.  A full 100% of people who have been divorced have, at some point or another, been married.  The statistics wouldn't lie to you, would they?  If you don't want to get divorced, don't get married, and you'll never have that problem!  8-)

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« Reply #60 on: 03 Sep 2010, 00:20 »

Which world are you talking about? (It's certainly not this one.)
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« Reply #61 on: 03 Sep 2010, 00:30 »

If you don't want to get divorced, don't get married, and you'll never have that problem!  8-)

My sister-in-law is a divorce lawyer, and she specialises in (and has written a book on) "divorce" of unmarried couples.  It's clearly no less traumatic in some cases!
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #62 on: 03 Sep 2010, 03:02 »

Yo dawg, I heard that marriage is the leading cause of divorce.  A full 100% of people who have been divorced have, at some point or another, been married.  The statistics wouldn't lie to you, would they?  If you don't want to get divorced, don't get married, and you'll never have that problem!  8-)

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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #63 on: 03 Sep 2010, 08:52 »

No, not epic.  Just oblivious obvious. 
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« Reply #64 on: 07 Sep 2010, 08:23 »

man after reading today's comic I feel like a total douche :P so Dora has had nothing but shitty boyfriends. That explains alot :angel:
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« Reply #65 on: 07 Sep 2010, 08:30 »



My sister-in-law is a divorce lawyer, and she specialises in (and has written a book on) "divorce" of unmarried couples.  It's clearly no less traumatic in some cases!

well here's the thing. Marriage is a lifelong commitment, or so it's intended to be. In other cultures the purpose goes kind of far beyond just "being in love". It's often to provide a solid setting for a family or to provide a means of partnership. Thats why other cultures set up arranged marriages. The whole idea of an arranged marriage assumes that love is not necessarily the goal.

so the point is this. If marriage exists to be a diagnoses for some of the problems caused by, lets say, divorce. Than we kind of need marriage :) besides I don't think a child is damaged any less by an "unmarried" couple who has a father leave, than by a married couple who gets a divorce. At least if you get married you have tried to make a solid foundation in that regard, it may have not worked out the way you hoped, but at least you tried.

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« Reply #66 on: 07 Sep 2010, 12:14 »

"at least you tried"

That's a pretty big assumption, from what I've seen...
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« Reply #67 on: 07 Sep 2010, 13:48 »

"... well, God never said you needed to be happy!"

UGH.

That goes against pretty much my whole religion.
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« Reply #68 on: 07 Sep 2010, 17:43 »

In other cultures the purpose goes kind of far beyond just "being in love". It's often to provide a solid setting for a family or to provide a means of partnership. Thats why other cultures set up arranged marriages. The whole idea of an arranged marriage assumes that love is not necessarily the goal.
I don't know from which perspective you identify "other cultures" (your profile gives no clue), but I think marriage in all cultures goes beyond the romantic relationship between the partners. Even it the most individualistic jurisdictions, the copious body of family law with its attendant procession of disputes over property, alimony, child custody etc. is ample evidence of that. In Australia at least, tax law, superannuation (pension) entitlement, employment law and many other things are heavily influenced by marital status.
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« Reply #69 on: 07 Sep 2010, 20:30 »

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Until about 100 years ago marriage, all marriage, in any culture, was based on the assumption that a woman of any age was incapable of being able to take care of herself or make her own decisions. When she was a child, her father was responsible for her, then her husband, and after he died, her sons (in-law, if she only had daughters)

There was also the assumption that any children were the progeny of the husband, regardless of who actually provided the sperm.

The purpose of traditional marriage was for men to be able to control the uteruses of the world, and wives ranked only slightly above slaves in the social pecking order.

Marriage was never intended to be a partnership of equals until very recently.


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« Reply #70 on: 08 Sep 2010, 07:31 »

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Marriage was never intended to be a partnership of equals until very recently.


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yes you are quite right, but why let the wrong-doings of the past take away what is clearly a very good thing today. Besides your claims don't prove that marriage is bad, it only assumes that it's been abused. Many good things can be abused. Also just because this was the way of the ancient past doesn't mean it was it's intended purpose.

Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water :)
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« Reply #71 on: 08 Sep 2010, 11:22 »

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Marriage was never intended to be a partnership of equals until very recently.


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yes you are quite right, but why let the wrong-doings of the past take away what is clearly a very good thing today. Besides your claims don't prove that marriage is bad, it only assumes that it's been abused. Many good things can be abused. Also just because this was the way of the ancient past doesn't mean it was it's intended purpose.

Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water :)

Marriage was initiated as a way to buy and sell life-long sex partners for men without it being considered prostitution (and often without even restricting the man to the woman he bought, just the woman to the man). Remember that women have always been considered to be property up until within the last century around the world (and even today everywhere not first-world).

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« Reply #72 on: 08 Sep 2010, 12:13 »

Always is a bit broad. There have been matriarchal cultures at various times, most of which included marriage of some sort.
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« Reply #73 on: 08 Sep 2010, 13:49 »

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Bullshit.

Marriage is a sham, and it's just another tool of the religious right to discriminate against everyone who doesn't follow their narrow worldview.
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« Reply #74 on: 08 Sep 2010, 14:38 »

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« Reply #75 on: 08 Sep 2010, 14:46 »

They still are, for real; see here, here, here.
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« Reply #76 on: 08 Sep 2010, 16:15 »

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Bullshit.

Marriage is a sham, and it's just another tool of the religious right to discriminate against everyone who doesn't follow their narrow worldview.
Clearly. That's why no one except fundamentalist evangelical christians get married. It's fine if you don't plan to marry or don't believe in monogamy (long or short term) or whatever, but to dismiss the notion of marriage out of hand says more about you than about society.
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« Reply #77 on: 08 Sep 2010, 18:02 »

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Bullshit.

Marriage is a sham, and it's just another tool of the religious right to discriminate against everyone who doesn't follow their narrow worldview.
Clearly. That's why no one except fundamentalist evangelical christians get married. It's fine if you don't plan to marry or don't believe in monogamy (long or short term) or whatever, but to dismiss the notion of marriage out of hand says more about you than about society.

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« Reply #78 on: 08 Sep 2010, 18:47 »

Thirded. I think the exact purpose of marriage in secular society is this: It's the extra step two people in love can take if they feel they need to take an extra step. If you don't agree that an extra step is needed, it's not for you. Personally I'm happy without that extra step and think I can be equally in love without it, but I'm not going to heap scorn on people who want one. It's a matter of personal taste.
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« Reply #79 on: 08 Sep 2010, 19:02 »

Well, gee, if we Evangelicals are the only ones getting married and having tons of babies, then we should be the majority within a generation or two, right?  :angel:
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« Reply #80 on: 08 Sep 2010, 19:18 »

Well, gee, if we Evangelicals are the only ones getting married and having tons of babies, then we should be the majority within a generation or two, right?  :angel:

Not if those damn Hommaseckshuls keep up their protestin'.  If'n we let those queer folk marry, why, all their damn hommaseckshul kids'll be runnin' around an' soon there won't be no more breedin'!
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« Reply #81 on: 08 Sep 2010, 19:40 »

Marriage was, and still is, an incredibly patriarchal institution. Acting like that's not the case is laughable, but common. That doesn't take away from marrying for love, but denial doesn't change reality.

In New Zealand, you can get married, which is still a hetero-only institution. Great.
You can have a civil union, which is open to all couples, and basically you get the same rights as marriage.
Or you can be a defacto couple, which means if you have been living together in a relationship (any orientation) for 3 years you are, again, afforded the same rights as married couples.

The only thing I would personally change about that is to abolish "marriage" as a legal state and keep civil unions - people can and will still call it marriage, people can and still will use Mr and Mrs (or Mrs and Mrs), and people can still get married in a church with a minister - or not.

Until marriage is no longer kept in place as the "superior" option, our relationship options are still not equal as far as I'm concerned. But it's a damn sight better than what the rest of the world has (certainly any English-derived countries).

Note: being monogamous, vanilla and hetero is not an innately superior choice. You are better off splitting up amiably (yes, it will hurt) and being fucking adults like no one seems to be capable of when it comes to kids and pets than staying together when it's not working. That doesn't mean you don't fight for your relationship, it just means it's better for both of you and any dependants for you to be happy apart than miserable together.
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #82 on: 08 Sep 2010, 20:03 »

Marriage was, and still is, an incredibly patriarchal institution. Acting like that's not the case is laughable, but common. That doesn't take away from marrying for love, but denial doesn't change reality.

In what way is marriage still an incredibly patriarchal institution? Actually, I should rephrase that, in what way is it still inherently patriarchal, because obviously certain variations of marriage are patriarchal. Sure things like arranged marriages are obviously patriarchal, but I'm interested to see the patriarchy in marriage as I know it.

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In New Zealand, you can get married, which is still a hetero-only institution. Great.
You can have a civil union, which is open to all couples, and basically you get the same rights as marriage.
Or you can be a defacto couple, which means if you have been living together in a relationship (any orientation) for 3 years you are, again, afforded the same rights as married couples.

The only thing I would personally change about that is to abolish "marriage" as a legal state and keep civil unions - people can and will still call it marriage, people can and still will use Mr and Mrs (or Mrs and Mrs), and people can still get married in a church with a minister - or not.

I'd go the other way and call all three marriage. To me, the only necessary definition of a marriage is a relationship with a legal status (this doesn't mean there aren't other types of marriage, but that that's all that's definitionally necessary to be a marriage).

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Until marriage is no longer kept in place as the "superior" option, our relationship options are still not equal as far as I'm concerned.

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« Reply #83 on: 09 Sep 2010, 00:44 »

Love and marriage, love and marriage, go together like a horse and carriage…
Which, I suppose, means once you either allow yourself to be or are forced to let others strap you into the thing, you can't get away.

Silly? Maybe, but no more than some of the other assumptions and stances I've seen on this thread. Well, except for Fenriswolf. I have to agree that so long as the couple's new 'identity' is the mans' (My grandparents were "Mr. and Mrs. Athos LeFere" and she was often referred to as "Mrs. Athos LeFere"), or only the woman is expected to in any way alter her name, that's pretty damned patriarchal. At the same time, there are enlightened souls, rebels, call them what you will, who don't do this. That the woman can keep her full 'maiden' name at all tells me the male dominance of marriage is weakening. (Stupidities like the miserable "Promise Keepers" movement is another good example).

Uterus control? Sometimes. But the controller is not always a man. Sometimes it's a matriarch, or sometimes it's the families involved. Then we're talking about marriage as a means of alliance, increasing influence, or pure financial gain for the family, which, unlike what some other person claimed earlier, seems to be the most ubiquitous purpose of getting hitched, at least until recently. Time was, any marriage in any culture, including western, where the families involved had any power, influence, and/or wealth whatsoever* was often at least as much a contract between the two families as between the actual individuals involved—indeed, sometimes they were a rather secondary consideration, the specific children involved actually less important than the marriage itself taking place.  "Oh, my son Henry drowned yesterday. But fear not, old bean—Richard can marry your daughter." (I still think this is the real reason behind the taboo against incest—your son won't cement any alliances marrying his sister. Also note how quickly the 'universal taboo' is discarded where power is accrued or better retained by brother-sister marriages).

So, we replace the male-controlled uterus with the family-controlled uterus (said family not always being controlled by males, whatever the culture believes) or, say, in the case of Charles Windsor and Diana Spencer, a state-controlled uterus. That's one of the real problems with unfaithfulness, btw—if your wife has a child by, or you father one with a member of yet another family, you can throw the whole thing into a state of higgly-piggly, because the perfect receptacle of their hopes and stuff now has a rival who can possibly 'cash in'. This is one place where women are definitely on the short end of things, because it's much easier to prove she's had a child, and if the husband's been off fighting for eleven months, he and his kin can do the math (which is one reason math sucks), at least if they won't buy the 'Zeus did it' excuse. Which in turn leads to putting wifey under lock and key, and then forming all sorts of asshat rationalizations to justify that. In other words, since marriage is about transmitting property, and the woman is obviously integral to that, she herself becomes property of a sort, with even more patriarchal asshattery dreamed up to justify that.

Then religion sometimes gets involved (note that the ancient upper-class Greeks were perfectly capable of doing the above without any particular religious justification that I'm aware of) and makes the rationalizations god's fault. (Judiaism, Islam, and Christiantity all dig on this, btw, with the degree varying from sect to sect.) One basis, though, remains when Dad buys it, who gets his best goat? Still, these religions transformed marriage from a contract between to families to that AND an act of faith. And if marriage is an act of faith, what is divorce? Unfaith? Felating the devil's penis? Although it may not be all there is to it, this is quite likely one reason that grandma and grandpa stayed married for sixty years: God, together with tradition said they had to.

Thing is, though, things have changed a helluva lot in the US in the last 100 years. For one thing, the consequences to possible offspring don't matter nearly so much in the US, at least most of the time (or so we like to pretend).  I suspect part of this comes from the fact we have lawyers who've managed to largely circumvent the consequences of 'unsuitable' matches at will—if your grandmother really wants to, she can disinherit you and leave the family business to your friend Jim, and if her lawyer's good enough, there's probably not a damn thing you can do about it no matter who you marry. Also, despite what we like to believe, many of these marriage traditions really have more to do with aristocracy, or at least wealth and influence, then those who have comparatively little of either; whereas the U.S. is simply stiff with commoners, many of whom, shockingly, aren't particularly wealthy (by their standards, anyway). In the last century, many of  them have turned to imitating Hollywood instead of dukes and earls. More on that in a trice.

Because these consequences matter less, these folks worry less about their families and 'good matches' and more about—ROMANCE. Which has a good side—it tends to reduce the patriarchal nature of the institution, since both of the people who are actually involved have to agree to give ye wedded blisse a try, but it also means the happy pair are free to believe the twaddle pumped out in third-rate novels, films, and music*, and be shocked, shocked, I tell you, when RL doesn't quite work that way.

One consequence of romantic marriage: a higher divorce rate. If your marriage keeps you and/or your family in power and/or social standing, or there will is a dowry that must be paid back, or land lost, or your children's future thrown in limbo, you tend to think twice, then again about divorce (unless you can 'put away' your spouse, a truly nasty piece of business). But if you marry purely for twu wuv without other, more temporal considerations, why, when that goes away (which it will, if you don't work at keeping it), why stay married? For better or worse, the traditional answer to that question, "Because God says so," carries less weight than it once did. And U.S. society was made to accept divorce by Ronald Reagan, so go blame him. (I don't think he cares any more now than before he croaked.) So no 'stigma' there, either, or at least less.

Not exhaustive, and probably incorrect in so many little ways I shudder to count them (because it's math, dammit), but something to chew on.

Note: I keep using the man's point of view because, like it or not, that's the way things're set up, which is why I must give Fenriswolf a nod. The 'holiness of motherhood' (my phrase, not theirs) that judges in the U.S. tend semi-invariably to back (at least until recently) in their decisions concerning child custody is a distinct thing from marriage itself, although it is a big turnaround from times past, when the woman could be cast on the trash-heap while the man kept everything. Sadly, it's not always as much of an improvement so much as a way to avoid considering each case on its own merits.

Note 2: Although Hollywood's product serves as inspiration for some, the antics behavior of the people who create the fantasies has also gotten its devotees. Thus, for those of you who enjoy such commentary, the common schmoo in the U.S. has gone from imitating those who, on the surface, in any case, are traditionally supposed to be moral paragons, to those who are traditionally supposed to be some of the most amoral shits on the face of the earth. What truth there is to such traditions is arguable, but the shift of emulation has clearly occured. So you can also blame the actors. Which leads you back to Reagan. Funny, that.

*Namely that love goes on and on without a fair amount of effort expended to keep it doing so by both pirates**, aka 'soul mates.' There are other errors propagated, but this one is my 'favorite.'

**I meant parties, but this was such a funny error by the spell checker I couldn't bear to remove it.
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« Reply #84 on: 09 Sep 2010, 08:10 »

quote from Raoullfere:  "...effort expended by both pirates**..."

If I'm remembering accurately from the 3rd Pirates of the Caribbean DVD commentary, a line cut from the film has Jack Sparrow opining:  "I love marriage. It's like a bet as to who will fall out of love first."  :roll:
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« Reply #85 on: 09 Sep 2010, 13:35 »

Thinking about marriage as a way of preserving inheritances and thinking about Questionable Content at the same time brought to mind a possible future in which Dora becomes the literal heir to the Vance family business.
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« Reply #86 on: 10 Sep 2010, 01:45 »

Having mentioned this situation, had to link this:



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« Reply #87 on: 10 Sep 2010, 03:36 »

What's additionally funny to me, in early Christianity (or some parts, at least) women had to wear headscarves in church so the angels didn't notice that they're women and rape them.
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« Reply #88 on: 10 Sep 2010, 03:47 »

That's not a reason I've ever heard for hair covering in Judaeo-Christian theology. The most commonly cited reasons were "modesty" - the idea that a married woman should only reveal her hair to her husband, because a woman with uncovered hair was considered erotically beautiful in a way similar to a woman who was dressed "provocatively".
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« Reply #89 on: 10 Sep 2010, 07:17 »

To be honest, the comic would be better for me if they were wearing Greek mantles, etc. Think of all those heroes who were fathered by various gods. Showers of gold, bulls, swans…I do wonder if somewhere amongst all that there was "Well, I confess he looked like your cousin Antipanes, and that is what the serving-girl saw. But it was Zeus, I swear it! Antipanes has not so large a member."
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« Reply #90 on: 10 Sep 2010, 07:38 »

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Bullshit.

Marriage is a sham, and it's just another tool of the religious right to discriminate against everyone who doesn't follow their narrow worldview.

thats a bit extreme :P I'm certainly not a right-wing extremist psychopath :) I come from a divorced home and I wish my mother and father would've remained married.

I think if you remove marriage, you will remove something that has been a great deal of good for alot of people. It seems the only logical reason people are presenting is "marriage causes divorce" and "marriage CAN [not always is] a system that is used for selfish purposes". Which is not only shaky...... it's actually pretty sad. I wonder about some of the homes people grew up in :(
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« Reply #91 on: 10 Sep 2010, 08:37 »

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Bullshit.

Marriage is a sham, and it's just another tool of the religious right to discriminate against everyone who doesn't follow their narrow worldview.

thats a bit extreme :P I'm certainly not a right-wing extremist psychopath :) I come from a divorced home and I wish my mother and father would've remained married.

I think if you remove marriage, you will remove something that has been a great deal of good for alot of people. It seems the only logical reason people are presenting is "marriage causes divorce" and "marriage CAN [not always is] a system that is used for selfish purposes". Which is not only shaky...... it's actually pretty sad. I wonder about some of the homes people grew up in :(

Seems pretty telling that you'd wish a lifetime of misery with someone they don't love on your parents (not to mention hilarious, since you're thinking Marriage =/= Happy Childhood).

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« Reply #92 on: 11 Sep 2010, 01:24 »

What's additionally funny to me, in early Christianity (or some parts, at least) women had to wear headscarves in church so the angels didn't notice that they're women and rape them.
That's not a reason I've ever heard for hair covering in Judaeo-Christian theology. The most commonly cited reasons were "modesty" - the idea that a married woman should only reveal her hair to her husband, because a woman with uncovered hair was considered erotically beautiful in a way similar to a woman who was dressed "provocatively".

this actually goes back to prebiblical mythology. in the older versions, the angels that rebelled against god did not so much 'revolt' as secede, and left heaven to go live on earth. there they taught humanity things we weren't supposed to know, such as herb-lore (which included things that would later be declared witchcraft), cosmetics & how to abort pregnancies. one of the things about these earth bound angels was that they apparently had a thing for long hair. another thing about them is that they apparently had huge massive dicks. as in cubit length, don't point that thing at me, handle of the ubmeod kind of dicks. the kind of dicks that a good and pure and decent woman would run screaming from. therefor, 'moral' women covered their hair, because to do otherwise risked attracting the attention of these angels and there huuuuuuge dicks, something only an immoral slut would want to do.

if you're interested in this stuff, check out this talk from dragoncon in 2009 the bit about the falen angels and their dicks starts around 20min.
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« Reply #93 on: 18 Sep 2010, 19:32 »

I think people are being too harsh on Dora here.

Maybe I identify with her too much, as I also have major trust issues. I can understand why she would be uncomfortable with what happened given her past. You don't think reasonably when you would first see something like that. I mean she knows Marten is not the other guys she's been with, but at the same time she's probably been in too many situations where it was; "C'mon, it was just a harmless kiss", or "It was an accident I was drunk". After these experiences you keep telling yourself; "I'm not going to fall for that trick again". It becomes the way you think. You just expect it, so that way you're not hurt when the 'truth' comes out.

She did apologize the next day.

Everyone has issues they need to get over, we give the other characters time we should give her time as well.

I mean, look at how far Hanners has come!!

(That said I understand the issues of the others is generally more serious).
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« Reply #94 on: 19 Sep 2010, 02:14 »

She also didn't have a Faye-type come out and ream her for what she said.

Believe it or not, I think Faye's little tirade may have actually helped in the long run. It made her realize that this situation is NOT like the others that may have preceded it, and that she has something pretty darn special going on with Marty.

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« Reply #95 on: 23 Sep 2010, 01:04 »

Two things:

1) It is not feminist for a woman to keep her own maiden name during marriage, as that name is given to her by her father thus continuing the patriarchy, similarly with her mothers maiden name. Some feminists to counter-act this have taken their mother or grandmothers first name and made it their last name. I.e. Jennifer Olivia.

2) Why does everyone dislike Dora so much? Similarly, a lot of people seem to adore Faye.  I've seen so much of it in the forums, can anyone point me into the direction of an old thread where this is explained? Or is it just people who dislike Dora/Love Faye are  a lot more vocal?
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« Reply #96 on: 23 Sep 2010, 01:37 »

'Twas a time you couldn't read four posts in these forums without coming across a Faye-detractor. Had one guy, Mr. wosnamewosname, (yes, that means I've no memory to speak of) who 'lived' to point out that Faye was a horrendous bitch who was Ruining Everything.

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« Reply #97 on: 23 Sep 2010, 06:38 »

Maybe there's a Law of Conservation of Hatred.
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« Reply #98 on: 23 Sep 2010, 08:45 »

2) Why does everyone dislike Dora so much? Similarly, a lot of people seem to adore Faye.  I've seen so much of it in the forums, can anyone point me into the direction of an old thread where this is explained? Or is it just people who dislike Dora/Love Faye are  a lot more vocal?

Back when Faye was literally bashing Marten's arm, many of us got sick and tired of her abusing like, the nicest guy in the (QC) world...
Now that Faye is his best old friend and Dora is a hair-trigger psycho bitch (sometimes) to the nicest guy in the world, ....    see? 
We're protective of good people.  :-)
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« Reply #99 on: 23 Sep 2010, 10:18 »

Interestingly, Dora has been also: ref. strip 467.
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