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WCDT - 6-10 September 2010 (1746-1750)
TheHappyBerry:
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--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 07 Sep 2010, 21:39 ---I don't quite understand this torrent of "nothing is resolved" and "Marten should show he's angry". What? He didn't make her grovel enough? Make her feel bad enough? Make it clear enough what a horrible person she is, and how hard she'll have to work to be worthy once more of his affection? If Marten had expressed anger at the original confrontation, that would have been fair enough (though anger is generally bad), but to go away, calm down, and then come back and cold-bloodedly put the boot in would be pretty nasty. Just how much resolution do people expect in one evening? I don't think there's a dog-house in the apartment, so... Marten could make Dora sleep on the couch for a few days or something I suppose?
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No, I just wish he would have acknowledged that he was mad. My imaginary ideal conversation would have gone more like following
Dora: So, you're not mad at me?
Marten: I was, but walked around, thought about it, and am not anymore.
Just an acknowledgement that even if things are back on an even keel now, she did upset him. Her crazy bitch mode doesn't just affect her, it has consequences on Marten too, and I think both of them acknowledging that will help Dora in trying to fix it.
As it is, I interpreted it more as Marten being all like, you did something wrong, but it didn't really affect me that much, and now let me list all the things I did wrong (even if they really weren't wrong at all).
I'm glad he is patient and understanding. Dora, Faye and Hannelore all need that in their own ways and even benefit from it. And, he isn't a pansy, he's stood up to Steve (and I think others, but I'm not sure of specific events to cite). He just seems to stand up for others and not himself.
TheoGB:
I still can't get used to people calling trousers pants. It took me a few seconds to realise that disclosure wasn't as bizarre as it sounded. (Probably mainly because over here we'd also refer to jeans as jeans and so forth, so you'd rarely use trousers that much.)
Is it cold in here?:
That discussion may have to take place off-screen. Jeph doesn't seem to be fond of that kind of dialog, doing it realistically would be a long wall of text, and it would run the risk of being boring.
Though there are some concrete loose ends to tie up, like whether Faye is allowed to come back to work in the morning.
Marten sure does cool down fast ...
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: TheoGB on 07 Sep 2010, 23:30 ---I still can't get used to people calling trousers pants.
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My grandson lives in Germany with an English and an American parent. He speaks different forms of English to each of them, like when he went to ask his dad if he had a torch, and then asked his mum for a flashlight. But yesterday he told them he wanted them only to speak German to him! (he's 4)
Carl-E:
There are a lot of holes here, and I don't mean in Marten's boxers. They may not need to be filled, but I find this evening's conversation troubling without them.
1) Marten doesn't know Faye blew up on Dora. Without that, would Dora have any remorse? I think she might still have been (wrongfully) righteously indignant when he returned.
2) Dora doesn't know Marten saw Sven, nor that Sven told him she's had nothing but crap in relationships in the past. This is something she's clearly tried to hide, and she may not be cool with the revelation, nor with its source. But it's the entire reason Marten's treating her with kid gloves!
3) Dora may not be aware that Marten was mad. On second thought, the fact that he left for a walk and that Faye told her she may have fucked everything up was probably a clue. So scratch that one. But she doesn't know why he's not mad anymore.
4) Those fucking doe eyes in panel 2. Just pitiful. Sorry, that one slipped out.
Marten's taken the right first step. People in this condition may well blow up again, or worse, meltdown entirely if not handled carefully. The ridiculosity helped.
The night is young. Nobody's getting any sleep for a while, yet...
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