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Weekly Comic Thread 4-8 October 2010 (1766-70)
amandathehunter:
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--- Quote from: amandathehunter on 06 Oct 2010, 16:02 ---What's dehumanizing and belittling is assuming that she wouldn't be hurt by the situation, and should act like nothing's wrong. For someone who is traumatized like Faye, trusting men is a big deal. She opened up, and got hurt. BADLY. Expecting her to continue to hang out with him and act like nothing is wrong is pouring salt in the wound she feels, and acting like her feelings don't matter.
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What's REALLY belittling is the constant premise that Sven Did Faye Wrong.
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Go back over my response, you'll notice that i didn't say ANYWHERE that it was sven's fault. All I said was that she trusted him and got hurt.
--- Quote ---Just once, I'd like Sven to be in earshot for one of her ZOMG He's Going To SEDUCE YOU!!!!! rants and be just POed enough to spill out what really happened - that SHE was the aggressor, that he made it clear the level their relationship was on, that he didn't make her a single promise he didn't keep, and that he never once conned her.
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Well, before they began their little sex escapade, he was the type who tried to seduce anything with a pulse and a vagina. She hasn't spent a lot of time around him since.
--- Quote ---The degree to which Faye was "hurt" is 100% self-inflicted. She claimed to want nothing more of him but to be fuckbuddies. She didn't even demand that he be monogamous; she just simply stated that she wasn't going to be sexually involved with him if he wasn't, and stuck to her guns. She had opportunity to change the deal, and didn't. Regardless of the reasons she kept her mouth shut, none of that is on Sven, and to revile him now because her pride's been stung is manipulative, petty, revisionist and childish.
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I am aware that her hurt is self inflicted, and I didn't say that I 'reviled' Sven. I am aware that the situation is of her own making, that doesn't change her feelings in regards to it.
--- Quote ---Sven isn't the guarantor of her feelings. What he has done, though, is keep his mouth shut and take all the heat from the social circle on himself. I wouldn't have been a tenth as noble as all of that; I would have asked her, loudly and in front of Marten, Dora and her friends, "Did I ever make a pass at you before we started sleeping together, yes or no?" "Who made the first move, you or me?" "Who said explicitly we had a no-strings attached, sexual relationship, you or me?"
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And this is a large part of WHY I like sven as a character. He is being compassionate and adult. The way you say you would behave in that situation is extremely juvenile, and reminiscent of middle-school 'he said she said' idiocy.
--- Quote ---And THAT being said, I'd purely love for some gal to respond to the ZOMG He's Going To SEDUCE YOU!!!!! rant with "So what if he does? He's cute, I like sex, and I'm a big girl who can decide these things for myself, thank you ever so. What are you, stuck in a 19th century romance novel?"
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And if one of the female characters felt that way, she'd get a high five and a thumbs up from me.
You're arguements repeatedly assume that I mean things I'm not saying. What I said is "Faye is hurt." I am not talking about HOW she got hurt, I am talking about the fact that she IS HURT. You throw around accusations, as if implying that Faye should pretend not to be hurt, because she made the bed she's lying in. That is insane. I'm not saying that everyone should have a big pity-party for Faye, I'm not saying that Sven did anything wrong. What I'm saying is that Faye is hurt, and acting in an understandable manner for someone who is in emotional pain.
Binary:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 07 Oct 2010, 04:24 ---Despite the current status of the author, this comic IS based in the USA.
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Well, yes, I was aware of that. OK, let me re-phrase my post.
When I first read today's comic I was "OMG Hanners went on a date with no knickers!?!?!" It was only later that I remembered that after you fled our shores, you Yanks thought it would be a good idea to fuck up the language. :angel:
The Duke:
--- Quote from: amandathehunter on 07 Oct 2010, 10:46 ---<snip> sex escapade, </snip>
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Instead: sexcapade.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: Binary on 07 Oct 2010, 13:41 ---It was only later that I remembered that after you fled our shores, you Yanks thought it would be a good idea to fuck up the language.
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Actually, they stuck with the old-fashioned words when we got all modern and European! Fall/Autumn is a good example, but there are many others - indeed, Pants itself is one (short for Pantaloons, originally women's baggy trousers, then men's breeches).
Akima:
--- Quote from: Binary on 07 Oct 2010, 13:41 ---When I first read today's comic I was "OMG Hanners went on a date with no knickers!?!?!" It was only later that I remembered that after you fled our shores, you Yanks thought it would be a good idea to fuck up the language. :angel:
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Speaking as an ESL outsider :angel:, I can't tell whose version of English is more fucked up: Aussie, Pommie, Canajun eh, or USAnian. They all seem pretty wacky to me. I too had a momentary mental hiccup (hiccough? See what I mean?) on reading Hanners' comment/joke, but only for a moment because girl's trousers are commonly called pants even in Commonwealth English, and our underwear panties (does anyone apart from Benny Hill still talk about knickers, unless they're in a twist?). The nice thing about English-speakers in general (the occasional xenophobic arsehole* notwithstanding) is that they're pretty good-humoured about variant forms and slightly dodgy grammar.
*And believe me, the Chinese-speaking world is riddled with regional and linguistic snobbery too.
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