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WCDT: 18-22 Oct 2010 (1776-1780)
St.Clair:
If dolphins do that (first I'd heard of it), that just brings them even with humans (who have and continue to do that with "brides" - I can provide links, if anyone really wants to be disgusted with their own species). So why do the AIs talk to us but not them?
Near Lurker:
--- Quote from: snubnose on 22 Oct 2010, 02:58 ---Thats because intelligence, in my opinion, is, in the end, not mechanic. Kurt Gödels imcompleteness theorem strongly hints that.
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Okay, will hippies and theists stop saying this? Gödel's incompleteness theorem is the Liar Paradox formalized, nothing more or less. All it does is show the absurdity of trying to answer every question that could possibly be posed, something the human brain can't do, either. The set of questions that can be answered by a logical system is far greater than those that can be precisely answered by the human mind, and encompasses it totally.
Or do you mean the similar proofs of undecidability? These follow the same logic, but they only apply to precise algorithms. Modern AI is no more algorithmic than the human mind, but rather both generate multiple precise algorithms to attack a problem in a variety of ways, arriving at conclusions that couldn't be found by a single algorithm.
Between this and quantum physics, stop grabbing concepts you don't understand - you can't understand. Unless you go back as a freshman, you never will. While the liberal arts write, admittedly in a more refined voice, essay after essay of simple ideas buried in obfuscation and glorified case studies disguised as tracks of study, actual academics trying to mollycoddle you through complex ones have left you with garbled half-understandings that justify the gods you invent. And don't tell me I'd change my views if I took more courses; I have a sociology degree.
And the same to you Singularity cultists! Yes, someday, and I don't know how soon it will be - it seemed nearly as soon when my calculator couldn't have fit in the Pentagon - there will be AI powerful enough to enter a positive feedback loop. What next? I can't say, but neither can you. People are notoriously wrong about where future technology will lead, and always have been, and technology has always crept up on us, the truly revolutionary innovations only seeming so in retrospect. Don't think I haven't noticed the creeping religious imagery you swear is a joke but act out in every respect; evidence shows our brains are hardwired for many aspects of religion, and this is just one more place you see it. I imagine the Singularity will come in somewhere between jetpacks and the Millerite rapture on the list of grand disappointments... but of course, I can't be sure. :-P
raoullefere:
--- Quote from: peterh on 22 Oct 2010, 05:23 ---Too many cultural references that elude me. My mind, she is blown. As if Bob cared...
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Anthony Bordain = hosts an irreverent (to say the least) travel show in the U.S.
Bob Guccione = publisher of Penthouse Magazine—sort of like Playboy getting down to business, only with some scruples intact. Also responsible for Caligula, the one (so far as I know) attempt to make a film intended to be 'serious' and pron at the same time.
--- Quote from: peterh on 22 Oct 2010, 05:23 ---By the way, what drives you to make up this stuff at 7 am??!?
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I have fires that burn within me, driving me to lengths undreamed of by the sane. (translation: I have a sinus infection entering its second week, and I don't sleep much because of it—an hour here and there.)
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--- Quote from: raoullefere on 22 Oct 2010, 00:44 ---I admit he's somewhat creepy, but that reaction's a little extreme.
(Yes, Raoul did pick this video because of that first image. Jeph has finally corrupted him!)
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:mrgreen:
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I took a survey when they were testing how that campaign would play to the public, and rated it excellent. You're welcome. :-D
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Thanks… I think. I'll let you know for certain when I stop humming "One Gallon Axe" to myself.
--- Quote from: westrim on 22 Oct 2010, 15:43 ---However, you worry me when you refer to yourself in the third person.
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Out of all the things I 'contribute' on here, that's the only one that worries you? Besides, it was the dinosaur, I swear. He sings to me, sometimes…
zadojla:
--- Quote from: Near Lurker on 22 Oct 2010, 20:30 ---...Don't think I haven't noticed the creeping religious imagery you swear is a joke but act out in every respect; evidence shows our brains are hardwired for many aspects of religion, and this is just one more place you see it....
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You've just made me realize something! I must have a specific kind of brain malfunction, because I have been following this dicussion of the"Singularity" and it makes no sense to me. And I am also an atheist,and always have been, because religion just doesn't make sense to me. Now I understand that my brain is not equiped to understand either because they are related. (Or maybe I'm just a contrary cuss...)
Carl-E:
The latter.
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