Topic: The Australia Thread (Read 36693 times)

David_Dovey · « **Reply #150 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 14:57 »

My favourite instance of racial stereotyping is when Flight of the Conchords did that episode where Jermaine started dating an Australian girl.

valley_parade · « **Reply #151 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 15:06 »

Dunno, I think I prefer the one where Aziz Ansari gets New Zealanders and Australians mixed up.

scarred · « **Reply #152 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 15:16 »

both those episodes were great but the Aziz Ansari episode has one of the greatest songs they've ever done (Mutha'Uckas) so I'm on that one's side.

valley_parade · « **Reply #153 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 15:37 »

Hehe, second division teams.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #154 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 15:50 »

Get yr faggot sport out of my Australia thread

THIS IS FOOTBALL

GEROVICH, YOU BEW-TAY

valley_parade · « **Reply #155 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 15:51 »

Quote from: Ptommydski on 15 Nov 2010, 15:48

yawwwwwwwwwwn

I just noticed this, but yeah. I could put one by our backup keeper and Wes Brown, too.

By the way Australia, I heard you just got a baseball league? And apparently 3 players in the Red Sox organization are playing for Sydney. Cool!

Inlander · « **Reply #156 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 16:13 »

Quote from: David_Dovey on 15 Nov 2010, 15:50

THIS IS FOOTBALL

Pfft this is the only Australian football that matters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5FaS7JaHjU

David_Dovey · « **Reply #157 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 16:22 »

Harry they don't even use their feet, or like, barely ever.

Also it is a stupid sport for jerks.

Also also it is not Australian, as evidenced by it being named after a place in England famous for producing smarmy cunts.

Also also also all the pack-rapes. Remember all the pack rapes? If not it is OK, because another will be along shortly.

Inlander · « **Reply #158 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 16:34 »

Dovey you're confusing Rugby Union with Rugby League, but that's okay, it's a common mistake for you AFL people. I mean I can't expect you to understand a thing like that when you can't even get your head around a simple offside rule.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #159 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 16:36 »

Union/League/Tomayto/Tomahto/Game where men put their noses up each other's backsides after the ball goes out of bounds/Games where men put their noses up each other's backsides after every tackle

Inlander · « **Reply #160 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 16:39 »

You're right, real men should be punching each other like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5qVLJEOTpo

Oh, the nobility!

David_Dovey · « **Reply #161 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 16:50 »

Yes yes there are never any fights in Rugby (either rugby, sigh).

oh no wait, here they are

Harry I scrolled back up to my original football post and I think part of what I like about AFL (and most of the sports I like), is moments like that picture of the John Gerovich mark. They turned that picture into a bronze statue which you can go see at Fremantle Oval. Is there ever anything like that in rugby? Is there some moment in a rugby match which is just viscerally exciting like that, something which you can cast in bronze? To me, rugby has nothing that ever matches up to the grace and thrill of Jesaulenko's mark in the 1970 grand final, or Peter Daicos snapping off an effortless-looking goal from a seemingly impossible angle, or, well, pretty much anything Graham Farmer did ever. Or for that matter, the sheer fluid beauty of Donal Bradman's drives, or the tension and split-second psychology of Gretzky on a breakaway. Heck, I'm by no means a soccer fan but there is undoubtedly poetry in watching Lionel Messi do his thing. And it's not even due to the physical nature of rugby. Just last night I watched Muhammad Ali vs. Sonny Liston on Youtube, and that was a thing of beauty too. I just don't see anything like that in either iteration of rugby. Just a lot of grunt and run and smash into a guy and repeat.

Inlander · « **Reply #162 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 17:16 »

See for me every AFL highlight is basically the same. Oh look, it's another guy jumping up high to take a mark. Oh hey, another kick going between the posts. And the game's such a mess - have you seen what happens when a ball goes on the ground and they're all slapping it around trying to pick it up? Ugh. Whereas both Rugby codes have moments of sometimes breathtaking excitement or skill:

Rugby Union

Wallabies team try

All Blacks team try

French team try

Rugby League

Brett Mullins

Josh Dugan

Benji Marshall

tania · « **Reply #163 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 17:53 »

god damnit we already have a sports thread for this, you fucks

David_Dovey · « **Reply #164 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 18:08 »

Quote from: Inlander on 15 Nov 2010, 17:16

have you seen what happens when a ball goes on the ground and they're all slapping it around trying to pick it up? Ugh

do you mean like what happens after every tackle in Rugby Union?

tania · « **Reply #165 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 18:15 »

you fucks

Inlander · « **Reply #166 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 18:37 »

Quote from: tania on 15 Nov 2010, 17:53

god damnit we already have a sports thread for this, you fucks

Welcome to Australia.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #167 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 18:41 »

Haha yeah, what else are we gonna talk about, our rich cultural history? Hahahahah

Inlander · « **Reply #168 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 18:43 »

Okay Tania here's some interesting Australian sports-related sociology for you: Australia has an endemic football code called Australian football, however it is by no means embraced universally in the country. For some reason the east coast states (New South Wales, Queensland, and the Australian Capital Territory) all follow/play the two Rugby codes and have almost no interest in Australian football! In fact the people in those states pretty much all view Australian football as something very strange and "other" and routinely mock it and everyone who follows it! Whereas in the rest of Australia Australian football is pretty close to a religion!

Peculiar, huh?

Tom · « **Reply #169 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 19:01 »

AFL is really picking up in NSW due to the activity of children's AFL clubs and reduced potential for injury. I grew up in an AFL household, my father is a Swan's supporter and his father was a Cats fan. Also, AFL requires more skill and athleticism than the assortment of Australian thugby codes.

Lunchbox · « **Reply #170 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 19:08 »

Yeah I think Sydney is more of an AFL city (is this where I say 'Carn Swannies'?) but anywhere else in NSW doesn't know what AFL is. They're pretty religious about their League.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #171 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 19:11 »

Yep those folks sure do love their pack-rapes

Lunchbox · « **Reply #172 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 19:18 »

Akima · « **Reply #173 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 19:26 »

Quote from: Eris on 15 Nov 2010, 03:34

Honestly though, I didn't think that skit was particularly racist. It wasn't funny, but it still was more that they were making fun of her because she had a funny accent rather than her being specifically Chinese.

Quote from: David_Dovey on 15 Nov 2010, 13:21

I don't know about that Lee Lin Chin parody being racist in the first place. I think it's more playing on her very obvious eccentricities of dress and appearance, and also the cadences of her voice, none of which are because of her ethnicity. She's just a weird bird in general. I love her 'cause of it, it's better than the dozens of cookie cutter pretty young women and square-jawed handsome older gentlemen on every other news program ever, but it's also pretty easy to understand why that makes her a pretty ripe target for parody. Yeah, she talks funny, but less in a stereotpical Chinese way (replacing "r" sounds with "l" sounds or something, I guess?) and more like she's an automaton in a 50s sci-fi flick.

Is either of you a Chinese language speaker who learned English as a second (or in Lee Lin Chin's case fourth) language, substantially by formal tuition? Do either of you hear in her voice echoes of Chinese languages with which you grew up, and recognise in her pronunciation sounds you too struggled with? If your answers are "no", what exactly qualifies you to decide whether her "funny accent" is somehow Chinese enough to be regarded as connected to her ethnicity?

Quote from: David_Dovey

Isn't it entirely possible that for the people who wrote and performed that sketch, the fact that Lee Lin Chin is Chinese didn't even enter into their heads?

I don't know what went through the minds of those people, but why would I regard their attitudes or intent as decisive? Members of ethnic majorities and other dominant groups generally fail to consider the impact of their words and actions on 'outsider' groups, and automatically legitimise their own views. That's kind of the point.

Quote from: Eris

The way it seems is that you looked at it was that they were making fun of a Chinese lady, that makes it racist and wrong. This wouldn't be an issue for you if the newscaster they were making fun of had a lisp and was white.

Actually, I don't regard ridiculing a person with a speech impediment as 'not an issue'. The hypothetical case you mention might not be racist, but it would still be wrong.

Edit: And yes I probably am getting angry (or at least argumentative) on the internet (see below). I should probably delete this, but since someone's already referenced it I won't.

Akima · « **Reply #174 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 19:31 »

Quote from: Inlander on 15 Nov 2010, 18:43

Okay Tania here's some interesting Australian sports-related sociology for you: Australia has an endemic football code called Australian football, however it is by no means embraced universally in the country. For some reason the east coast states (New South Wales, Queensland, and the Australian Capital Territory) all follow/play the two Rugby codes and have almost no interest in Australian football! In fact the people in those states pretty much all view Australian football as something very strange and "other" and routinely mock it and everyone who follows it! Whereas in the rest of Australia Australian football is pretty close to a religion!

There are two kinds of football, one played with a round ball, the other played with an oval ball. They are essentially indistinguishable otherwise.

Quote from: David_Dovey on 15 Nov 2010, 18:41

Haha yeah, what else are we gonna talk about, our rich cultural history? Hahahahah

Hee hee... Yeah! C'mon Aussie c'mon!

calenlass · « **Reply #175 on:** 15 Nov 2010, 19:57 »

Are you getting angry on the internet?

Jimmy the Squid · « **Reply #176 on:** 16 Nov 2010, 05:18 »

Intention is kind of irrelevant when it comes to things like this. It doesn't matter if it was meant to be racist or not. Some people found it offensive and that should really be the end of the discussion.

Whether your (collective, not personal) being offended is a matter of importance (it isn't, nothing happens when you're offended) is a different conversation all together.

JD · « **Reply #177 on:** 16 Nov 2010, 11:54 »

Quote from: Eris on 15 Nov 2010, 00:42

You can't. Admins are the only ones with the permissions to embed videos.

Well goddamnit he's just taunting us then.

scarred · « **Reply #178 on:** 16 Nov 2010, 12:38 »

does this mean i should get offended when dave chappelle does this

what is humor

what does it mean

David_Dovey · « **Reply #179 on:** 16 Nov 2010, 12:44 »

I get offended when people point a video camera at their TV and then upload it to Youtube

Rizzo · « **Reply #180 on:** 16 Nov 2010, 21:42 »

I get offended that you're all talking about rugby so much. Rugby sucks, who cares.

McTaggart · « **Reply #181 on:** 16 Nov 2010, 21:59 »

Australia: being completely bloody wrong about sport.

est · « **Reply #182 on:** 17 Nov 2010, 01:55 »

When I heard that they were starting up a baseball league in Australia I think I actually laughed.

Spluff · « **Reply #183 on:** 17 Nov 2010, 02:11 »

It took me a little while to figure out why AFL (I am aware the game is called 'Australian Rules' but that sounds hell of stupid) is my favourite sport, but I've concluded that it's because the game, more than any other (that I am curently aware of), is filled with opportunities for personal brilliance or amazing feats. Events like Maradona's Goal of the Century can occur on at least a semi-regular basis, and practically every game has a couple of moments of absolute brilliance. Even the worst teams (and as a Richmond supporter, you can trust me on this one) will provide moments of brilliance to keep you coming back. Whether it's a brilliant mark, a miracle goal, a sizzling run down the wing, or a midfielder exploding through traffic and leaving everbody in his dust, there will be something memorable about even the worst of games.

That's not to knock rugby though, I am a big fan of union. Not so much league, but I've been told that league is much better live than on TV, which is why it does comparitively poorly in the ratings, so I'll have to go to a live game some time.

est · « **Reply #184 on:** 17 Nov 2010, 02:16 »

I am not a fan of rapey league or union. AFL is fun to watch, but I don't really follow it.

Rizzo · « **Reply #185 on:** 17 Nov 2010, 03:17 »

Keen to go to an AFL game when I get to Aus. Haven't been to a Rugby game in something like 15 years...

valley_parade · « **Reply #186 on:** 17 Nov 2010, 05:49 »

Quote from: est on 17 Nov 2010, 01:55

When I heard that they were starting up a baseball league in Australia I think I actually laughed.

Cmon Ben. Baseball is awesome!

David_Dovey · « **Reply #187 on:** 17 Nov 2010, 13:06 »

But nobody in Australia likes it. It was doomed to fail from the get go. I remember the Perth Heat baseball team being reasonably popular for a little while, because they were winning, but once that ended it was like they never existed.

Inlander · « **Reply #188 on:** 17 Nov 2010, 14:42 »

Do we still have an ice hockey competition?

David_Dovey · « **Reply #189 on:** 17 Nov 2010, 15:10 »

Yup. It's even linked to from the NHL website!

Inlander · « **Reply #190 on:** 17 Nov 2010, 15:27 »

Aww, it's a kangaroo on skates! And carrying a hockey stick!

Man, a kangaroo on skates could really do some damage if it kicked you.

Akima · « **Reply #191 on:** 17 Nov 2010, 20:38 »

Ice Hockey? I didn't even know it was played here. Just goes to show that Australians will get excited about any sport, no matter how silly and inappropriate to the climate. Who else would hold a boat-race in a dry river-bed?

JD · « **Reply #192 on:** 17 Nov 2010, 21:19 »

I didn't realize until the other day that Portal was Australian.

Well done australia well done

valley_parade · « **Reply #193 on:** 18 Nov 2010, 06:28 »

Quote from: Akima on 17 Nov 2010, 20:38

Ice Hockey? I didn't even know it was played here. Just goes to show that Australians will get excited about any sport, no matter how silly and inappropriate to the climate. Who else would hold a boat-race in a dry river-bed?

Not only is it played there, but Australia beat New Zealand 58-0 in 1987.

OUCH.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #194 on:** 19 Nov 2010, 15:54 »

Wait, what? That can't be right.

valley_parade · « **Reply #195 on:** 24 Nov 2010, 08:22 »

BUHLEE-DAT.

http://forums.internationalhockey.net/showthread.php?t=7168

Quote

Twenty one years ago, New Zealand suffered at the hands of Australia one of worst defeats of the modern hockey era – a 58-0 drubbing on March 14, 1987.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #196 on:** 25 Nov 2010, 10:08 »

Holy shit, that game happened in Perth, as well. Given, I was four months old at the time.

ViolentDove · « **Reply #197 on:** 25 Nov 2010, 16:14 »

rae · « **Reply #198 on:** 25 Nov 2010, 16:18 »

I like Timtams. They are ace.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #199 on:** 25 Nov 2010, 17:16 »

I got Tim-Tams a few days ago! I imagine their presence here has to do with their seemingly being more Australians than Canadians in Canmore, but that opens up questions about the shameful non-presence of Vegemite. Anyway they were brilliant, much Tim-Tam Slams were had.

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