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WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
MarkCorrigan:
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--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 15 Nov 2010, 18:28 ---DON'T WORRY MARTEN! THIS IS ALL DORA'S FAULT, BECAUSE SHE'S A BITCH
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Well, it kind of is.
She's the one who over-reacted to a totally innocuous situation and wouldn't listen, she's the one who gets angry with him for other girls asking him out and him not mentioning it like it's actually her business or something to worry about and she's the one who just totally invaded his privacy after he explicitly told her not to.
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Oh, yeah, Dora's been a bitch to him their entire relationship. She's never made him happy, no. She's never made any sacrifices for his sake, she's never tried to be careful of his feelings in anything, they have never been happy as a couple, it's just been PROBLEM CITY all the FUCKING TIME. These fights that they're having? Real couples don't do that! Because real couples are in love all the fucking time 24/7 and poop rainbows out of their mouths! No one ever gets mad at their significant other over something innocuous! No one ever has huge fights and also no one really ever makes up like a week later!
And none of it has anything to do with the fact that Marten is a completely spineless fuck! No no no! It has nothing to do with the fact that he won't take a stand on anything till it gets out of hand, obsesses about shit but never takes any action, and generally lets any woman with a force of personality greater than a turnip walk all over him until she steps on some area that's a little sore!
(God, why couldn't Marten have waited? For his REAL TRUE LOVE, Faye? You know, the girl who is a huge bundle of issues, still can't emotionally relate to people on the right level, and was all but emotionally abusive to the last dude she was in a pseudo-relationship with? The girl who is never ever going to get over the fact that her dad killed himself in front of her, that's the girl you need to pursue forever. Because moving the fuck on is for losers!)
But hey, it's still not his fault. He couldn't have known that Dora's entire character is just "a bitch" who can never do anything right.
And am I the only person who has noticed that the last six weeks all we have heard in an endless chorus, winding throughout the weeks and always showing up at some point or another, is that cherry of wisdom, that DORA IS A BITCH AND MARTEN SHOULD BREAK UP WITH HER? We had the Tai/Marigold arc, where she barely appeared, and people still found time to call her a bitch. Astounding.
I can't even blame Jeph for this arc, because clearly, it's what a large portion of the fans want.
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Cool story bro.
In other, more reality based conversations, it's been noted that Dora has recently become a lot more bitchy and clingy, and has exhibited a streak of controlling behaviour that has made her seem a bit less wonderful a person than she first appeared. Equally, while relationships do have fights from time to time, these tend to be at least somewhat spread out, and in a genuine relationship, the partners use these fights to enable them to change their behaviour so that the fights do not occur. Obviously there will never be a total lack of fights, two people sharing any kind of relationship are going to get mad at one another sometimes, but the issues these fights can sometimes bring up should and indeed must be dealt with if a real adult relationship is to occur.
Further, it's painfully obvious that the fact that Dora has been clingy and insecure to the point at which she starts a fight with him for getting his hair cut or not assuming Faye is sleeping with someone else to personally attack her and Marten has obviously grated on him for some time. Instead of doing the healthy thing and discussing it with her, he hypocritically represses it, maybe even deluding himself that everything is fine until he finally can't take it any more and explodes in her face when she not-apologises to him for a serious breach of trust.
But yeah, cool story bro.
Soluzar:
I don't hate Dora. I think she's a necessary character in the wider QC story, and when she's doing what she does best, she's awesome. Thing is, what she does best isn't dating Marten. It's running the coffee shop with flair and sass. She also needs to stop meddling in the lives of her friends. Even if she has the very best of intentions, she doesn't have the right to tell Hannelore, Faye, Sven or anyone else who they should be fucking, taking on pseudo-dates or otherwise romantically interacting with. Everyone in this strip is an adult, and Dora just isn't that much more mature that she gets to play matriarch. I do give her credit for running a moderately successful business, but that doesn't translate to being an all-round expert on other people's lives.
Especially when her own is only saved from being an emotional trainwreck because she has the most understanding boyfriend ever.
Or should that be had?
Contrary to how all the above might sound, I really don't hate Dora. I just think she should learn to concern herself less with the lives of others, and I also don't believe she's a match for Marten. She's really just suited to being his good friend. Unfortunately it often so happens that when a relationship fails with an acrimonious breakup, the process has poisoned the well of friendship by way of collateral damage.
I don't honestly recall when Marten ever expressed a particular interest in her. Seems to me like he's expressed his interest in Faye and (way back when) in Sara, but not in Dora. I'm frantically plundering the archive right now in order to prove myself wrong, because I don't want to make unsubstantiated assertions, but I fail to see anything that proves Marten is attracted to her. If that's really the case, then maybe they should have stayed friends instead of dating, because I'm pretty sure that's all Marten really ever saw her as... a friend. It's not so unlikely that Marten decided just coast along in a relationship, going with it because it is easy and convenient rather than because he really cares for her in that way.
Comic #564 is the start of their relationship, and the closest I can see to Marten being interested is that he 'kinda doesn't mind' when Dora presses herself against him. For the next few comics he's kinda-sorta-maybe into it, but mostly just in a lukewarm way. Dora is the one who is really into it, and Dora is the one making all the running. I can understand entirely if Marten eventually developed feelings of attachment, because the longer a relationship goes on, the less you want it to end... but still it seems like the flame never burned all that brightly to me. Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.
I will be glad if this means they are ending it. I just hope Marten has the backbone to say to her that it just isn't working out for him anymore. Whether that means Faye breaks off her nascent relationship with Angus, or not... it's for the best that Marten not be with someone he isn't into. Maybe he'll end up with Marigold, and Tai will end up with Dora. That way everyone can be happy... except Sven. Poor Sven...
iduguphergrave:
--- Quote from: bicostp on 15 Nov 2010, 18:51 ---Give it time. Pretty much every Marten v. Dora fight has ended that way eventually.
1. One does something the other doesn't like
2. The other makes things worse with poor wording
3. Big blowup
4. A few days of moping
5. "I'm sorry let's just pretend it never happened even though I'm still mad at you".
:|
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I dunno, this arc is starting to have a "issues finally coming to a head" feel to it.
Near Lurker:
--- Quote from: raoullefere on 15 Nov 2010, 18:09 ---Yes, but Meyers was/is screwing around with a critter dear to the hearts of millions—vampires. People've been gaga over bloodsuckers since at least the first Lugosi/Browning effort, if not the play or dear old Brahm's novel itself, and she managed to offend quite a few of them.
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Don't forget Ruthven.
Anyway, Marten and Faye are going to have an... awkward... talk, if not tonight, then tomorrow night, after Dora's shown up at work.
...actually, where does Dora expect to sleep? On an independent coffee shop's margins, hotels aren't going to last her long...
hannahsaurusrex:
'm oddly at ease with this update, maybe it's because I feel like some real character insight will come out of the next couple strips.
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