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WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)

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JD:
Saw this coming.

tbones:

--- Quote from: Soluzar on 15 Nov 2010, 19:27 ---
--- Quote from: tbones on 15 Nov 2010, 19:24 ---I mean really, a (aparently) break up ONLY 'cause Dora look on Marten's porn? think about it, that's just silly.

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That would be silly, but it's just the trigger. They both want out.

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You are exaggerating, i don't think they want out. But i don't think I do know what they want. I can only say that they got in a big fight over a silly thing, and dora tried to apologise to soon. Really, couples do have big fights where they fight and scream hurtfull things. But did they really wanted to cut the relation?
Dora has a pattern with her relationships, the minute something goes wrong, she thinks everything is doomed and that the couple should break up.
And Marten building up all of his rage? that's not cool. Or healthy for the relationship. At all.

IanClark:
I think Dora may be anticipating it, but I don't think either of them are looking for a way out or else they would've found one in the last fight. Look at panel 2 of this strip. That's neither the gaze of a woman who thinks she's about to get what she wants nor the way someone responds even if he's trying to hide wanting out.

There are only two things about this discussion that irk me, the first is that people keep acting like there's something fundamentally wrong with their relationship just because there's one major problem with it. Admittedly, most healthy relationships aren't this rocky, but some are. I know many people who have dealt with compulsive gambling, horrific jealousy, mental illness and a horrific myriad of other problems and still ended up working out and being quite happy together. It's possible. There are a lot of flaws in their relationship, but nothing unovercomeable.

The second is people acting like this whole arc somehow makes Dora unworthy as a person. Honestly, if anyone can point out a second major flaw I'll be surprised. Dora's redeemable, and it's not hard. She just needs to get serious about it.

jwhouk:
A few "pull back the lens and take it all in" thoughts:


* Dora has been a cast member of this strip now for over 1,700 strips. Coffee of Doom has been part of the strip even longer than that (strip #9). Either Jeph is planning on doing a massive Reset Button on the strip (which is possible, given how much time he's put in to re-doing some of the earlier strips) or he's going to do a Hogan Family number (Valerie? Who's she?).
* Faye let slip in 1782 that Dr. Corrine won't work with anyone else in her social circle, so she's out as a therapist.
* I get the feeling that Dora is, more than likely, going to go visit Sven. And then Sven is going to do unto her what she did unto him.
* I truly expect that Faye will be none too happy about this. She might inflict bodily harm upon Dora. I mean, for reals, not pulling up after getting up all in her face like at the end of their last argument.
* I still say the ultimate "OH ####" moment would be if Mom called Marten at just that moment. "Hi, dear, I happened to be in the area and wondered if you and Dora were available for dinner?"
* I do anticipate that this thread WILL hit a dozen pages by the time the week is out. This is a "And Then, Everything Changed" moment we're going through.
* As a breather at the end of this arc, I'd like to see the following:

--- Quote ---Pintsize (sitting on couch, looking through Marten's laptop) : Man, there's NOTHING on here.
Winslow (pointing to the screen) : What's that folder, marked "Tax Returns 2004-2006"?
Pintsize (pushing laptop aside) : Who cares. I'm going to go see if there's anything new on 4chan.
Winslow (looking at Pintsize as he leaves, then looking at the screen)
Winslow (clicking on the folder) : What's this? (pause) It looks like...
Winslow (reaction shot of horror for three or more panels)

--- End quote ---

gathayah:
Wow, these past two comics actually compelled me to register just so I could talk about this latest Dora/Marten explosion.

I generally try to be as impartial as possible whenever drama happens between characters and try to understand where both parties are coming from. As such whenever stuff like this happens I can usually see both points of view. This time though, try as I might, I just can't understand the logic behind Dora's stance. Marten has a completely valid point. Granted, Dora has some major issues which have been discussed a lot. But nevertheless, that doesn't exonerate her from being a bitch, and no matter how you swing it the bottom line is that Dora started this. Whether it was a "big deal" or not, Dora blatantly disregarded Marten's wishes, which was a total lack of respect on her part.

Dora has put Marten on a ridiculously high pedestal and holds him to all these crazy standards and yet feels that she should be able to do whatever she wants without any consequences. And why? Because she feels that because she has these issues, she is somehow not accountable for her actions. Marten had every right to be angry. And as someone before me mentioned, the fact that she didn't give Marten some time to cool down before trying to talk about it didn't help matters at all. One of the biggest rules regarding fights in any serious relationship is that they need to be discussed with a level head, and that simply cannot be done fresh from an explosive argument. So not only was Marten still very steamed from his confrontation with Dora, she decided that they needed to talk about it absolutely right then. That probably made Marten feel like she was apologizing out of necessity rather than being genuine about it.

Was Marten out of line with his "I'm sick of your apologies" line? Perhaps. But Dora crossed that line first by calling him a pedantic prick, absolutely refusing to look at it from his point of view, and completely ignoring a valid point. I hate to jump on a bandwagon here, but Dora is undeniably being a bitch. And as usual, Marten has been made out to be the bad guy. She needs some sense knocked* into her.

*Not in the physical sense of the word.

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