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WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)

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QueenoftheSmileys:
I'm going to use up my first post on this forum to say...

FINALLY.

I kinda hope they do break up, not because I necessarily dislike Dora, I'm just sick of the BAWWW DRAMAAAZZZZ comics. I like the whimsy. :D
Hell, I don't mind a little drama, just not so much! :|


Also, why is there a psyduck? Fuckin' lol.  :psyduck:

helloandgoodbye:

--- Quote from: Lychee on 15 Nov 2010, 21:18 ---Ok, I made an account on here just so I could comment..
I skipped a bunch of middle pages so I don't know if anyone has pointed this out already, but in http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1795 third panel, Marten is making a joke about what his porn collection COULD be. This would automatically lead me to assume that he's comfortable with discussing the issue and that it's really not a big deal to him, otherwise he wouldn't have made it so lighthearted. I think that if Marten had said something like, "no seriously guys, this is making me uncomfortable", Dora would have clearly understood that he would be angry if she were to do what she did, and probably wouldn't have done so. For me, it's really a case of mixed messages on Marten's part.

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  I totally agree with this.  I think a big problem here is miscommunication.  If Marten had made it perfectly clear, then Dora would not have overstepped any boundaries in the first place.

jwhouk:

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Kazukagii:
See here's the thing: I'm kinda torn.

On one hand, this is a relatively minor transgression on Dora's part. Even though Marten kinda exploded and said a pretty hurtful thing to Dora, it seems like something they can still recover from after some cool down time. Sure Dora was hurt and Marten feels like she's playing a double standard of trust, it's not like there was any cheating, or some other major offense. Thus there is room for reconciliation, perhaps with the mediation of Faye and friends.

Now on the other hand, I think we are in agreement that the reason Marten exploded was because this was, in layman's terms, the straw that broke the camel's back. After argument after argument after bloody argument all centered on Dora's trust issues, Dora blatantly violates Marten's own trust, then claims she didn't see what the big deal was. Were I in Marten's position, I'd be seething at the perceived injustice of such a situation. Right, wrong or indifferent, Marten finally exploded. Thus this event is not a stand alone argument, but rather a culmination of arguments finally having reached critical mass. That gives it far more weight, and in my mind I would not be surprised if they decided the couldn't take it and separated over the issue.

From the last panel, we can tell that Marten realizes what he just did, and he is not happy over it. He wasn't telling her, "It's over," but Dora saw it as that. Thus I foresee Marten trying to pick up the pieces in strips to come, though what remains to be seen is if Dora is willing to forgive him.

Whew... that was a long one. Also dammit Jeph, I should have started studying for my calculus test an hour ago. Stop distracting me with your well written characters and story!


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Jesus :psyduck:

Moxie:

--- Quote from: helloandgoodbye on 15 Nov 2010, 21:26 ---  I disagree.  I don't see how Dora's insecurities caused this fight at all.  After all, it was Marten who brought up her insecurities. The main thing was that she wasn't respecting his privacy.

  This is different than the underwear incident in that Marten did not think about putting on pants. It was not calculated at all. This time he purposely attacked Dora's insecurities because he was angry with her.

  If you're going to argue that Marten doesn't have right to always be rational, then you can argue the same thing for Dora.

  While I agree that Dora was mostly at fault in the Faye-Marten Underwear Incident, I disagree that she's just as much at fault here.

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I'm snipping most of this conversation for the sake of keeping it from getting too long. :)

The reason I say Dora's insecurities caused this fight is based on Marten's blowing up comment in panel 1. Yes, he's super upset about the privacy breach, but even more so when viewed in Dora's expectations for his behavior. While the parallel may not be justified, in Marten's furious mindset it probably is. He's tired of being there and working with her through her issues when, if push comes to shove, she doesn't (apparently) respect him.
And yes, he purposefully attacked her where he knew it would hurt because he's super angry and that is typically what happens when someone is super angry. At her own angriest, I don't think Dora's behaved much better/differently. I don't expect an angry person to act rationally.
I agree that neither Marten nor Dora should be rational all the time - I don't really think that's possible for anyone! - but from appearances Marten typically acts more rationally than Dora does. And while Dora has told Marten repeatedly that she will try to get better, there has been no indication that that's the case. So, as someone else above me posted, her words/apologies are starting to ring hollow to Marten anyway.
And that's maybe a better explanation for why I think Dora's insecurities are what this fight is really about, with the issue of privacy also being there, but as more a catalyst than the root cause.

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