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Is this "The Talk" all over again?

Yes.
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No, it's not the same.
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No, it's even worse.
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No, it means Dora's history.
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No, because it's going to end different.
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No, because there's emergency bourbon.
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UBMEOD!
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Oh heck, who am I kidding?
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(sniff) No, I've just got (sniff) allergies...
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This thread is gonna hit 40 pages by tomorrow, isn't it?
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #300 on: 15 Nov 2010, 21:54 »

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« Reply #301 on: 15 Nov 2010, 21:57 »

@Moxie: Okay, I get what you're saying.  This is why they need to talk this out instead of just a blanket "we'll work this out" like last time.

Hear hear! I am in definite agreement with you on that!
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #302 on: 15 Nov 2010, 21:59 »

And at this point Dora will be kidnapped by a group of rampaging Canadians
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #303 on: 15 Nov 2010, 21:59 »

I totally agree muffin_of_chaos

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I think that Marten's obviously not happy with Dora.  Maybe Dora has been picking up on it, so maybe she's not quite as paranoid as she seems.

I saw this before also. I am actually quite scared for them, this could easily become a huge issue. It will depend on how they handle the situation. Obviously Marten is unhappy in the relationship. Can anyone name the other "fights" they've had, I can only think of two 1) The current one 2) The underwear fight.

I hope if Marten is unhappy he just breaks up with Dora. It wouldn't be fair to "string her along" so to speak. For example, his *sigh* when in bed because either he was upset he missed his opportunity with Faye or that he wanted a relationship like she was developing. If this is the case and his feeling unsatisfied it would be logical for him to break up with her, even if he does care for her, as ultimately it's not her issues (alone at least) that are the problem, it's that their relationship isn't what he wanted.

I kind of agree that his an apathetic guy, goes with the flow. This said I disagree completely with the notion that he only "went with Dora" because he couldn't get Faye. Someone before mentioned that because she asked him out, therefore he was not attracted to her. Um, no! That's slightly sexist to say the least. A girl can ask a guy out and they can go on to have a happy relationship. He wouldn't of said yes had he not been attracted to her. They wouldn't have gone on to date for a few MONTHS had he NOT been attracted to her! If you are not attracted to someone, I find it difficult to believe you would have a relationship beyond a few weeks. Also what's the link between a girl asking a guy out and therefore a guy is not attracted to the girl? Ridiculous!
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #304 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:01 »


  I disagree.  I don't see how Dora's insecurities caused this fight at all.  After all, it was Marten who brought up her insecurities. The main thing was that she wasn't respecting his privacy.

  This is different than the underwear incident in that Marten did not think about putting on pants. It was not calculated at all. This time he purposely attacked Dora's insecurities because he was angry with her.

  If you're going to argue that Marten doesn't have right to always be rational, then you can argue the same thing for Dora.

  While I agree that Dora was mostly at fault in the Faye-Marten Underwear Incident, I disagree that she's just as much at fault here.

Dora insecurity didn't start the fight. As you said, during the underwear incident, he just didn't think about not putting pants. But in this case, she deliberately went against Marten's will to check his porn folder, not listening to him saying no. He trusted her enough to have her live with him, and even presumably gave her his laptop password, thinking that she could be trusted. She had no reason whatsoever to go check his porn folder after he told everyone that it was private! It's like someone saying: I don't want to talk about my sexual orientation (Mika for exemple) and then go ask everyone he knows for more details. She didn't find the porn on accident trying to comfort her best friend, she went against her lover desire to check something as trivial as his porn folder, knowing beforehand that it would be kinda dull ("No, you're WAY too whitebread to be into anything THAT weird." Notice the CAPITALS?).

I don't even think he was wrong about bringing her insecurities into the argument. Maybe he did it wrong, but when he says "And I'm sick of your apologies!", he means that it's not the first time she screws up, and she keeps doing it and doing it again. I don't think it's been even a year since they started dating, it's not like those things she does happen once every other year...
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #305 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:03 »

First time long time but I have to say that I really do wonder if this is indeed the end. I've gotten a sort of vibe from the strip that Marten and Dora are kind of just going through the motions. Then again, I know next to nothing about relationships (admittedly) and am probably full of crap. However, there's just a lot of issues that are coming to surface lately more than ever. Dora has a lot of trust issues (obvious) and seriously needs them worked out.

Anybody got the Useless Broom Made Entirely Out of Dicks handy? I think we may need it around.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #306 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:04 »

And at this point Dora will be kidnapped by a group of rampaging Canadians

Either that, or Marten gets mangled by Vespavenger.

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #307 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:04 »

I just read the entire 3+-page drama here. My eyes are kind of sore and glazed over now.

Uhhh yeah. Lemme echo what I said earlier: Marten totally has a right to be pissed off. I would be. I don't know if this is the end of Marten/Dora, but I really won't mind if it is.

I used to ship Marten/Faye a loooong time ago, so I'm not exactly Dora's biggest fan (I'm generally ambivalent about her. The only character I actively dislike is Marigold), but that's not the reason I'm hoping it's over. I think the relationship has run its course. I don't want Marten to get together with Faye, really, because I like Angus/Faye a lot and want them to be a success. I'm just tired of the bickering and constant arguments and the stomping off.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #308 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:06 »

Having been in more than one relationship with COMPLETE LOONIES, yeah, the signs are there.

Clearly the obvious solution is for Dora to go to Sven this time.

Then he sleeps with her.

That's how he solves girls' problems. 

What?! It worked with Faye!
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #309 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:07 »

I just read the entire 3+-page drama here. My eyes are kind of sore and glazed over now.
I'm so sorry, nobody deserves to have to tackle all of this in one go  :cry:

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Uhhh yeah. Lemme echo what I said earlier: Marten totally has a right to be pissed off. I would be. I don't know if this is the end of Marten/Dora, but I really won't mind if it is.

I used to ship Marten/Faye a loooong time ago, so I'm not exactly Dora's biggest fan (I'm generally ambivalent about her. The only character I actively dislike is Marigold), but that's not the reason I'm hoping it's over. I think the relationship has run its course. I don't want Marten to get together with Faye, really, because I like Angus/Faye a lot and want them to be a success. I'm just tired of the bickering and constant arguments and the stomping off.

Agree 100% I don't think this is the start of Marten/Faye, far from it. Faye has moved on from Marten, I think that moment that she patted Marten's head after her date solidified that. Were this simply the end of Dora/Marten and both of them we back to being single for awhile, I would be one happy reader.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #310 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:11 »

Seven pages!

And it's only Tuesday!!! (1 am EST on Tuesday even.)

This thread is like trying to drink from a fire hose!

I woke up today at about 8 pm and have been trying to get caught up, we were on about page 4 then.

I almost had it too. Then Jeph posted today's comic!

WOW!


My thoughts...

Both are at fault, both are going to regret what happened and what was said, but the relationship itself may not be salvageable.

What happens next? Only Jeph Jacques knows... we'll find out tomorrow, but I don't think this is going to wrap up this week, It's only Tuesday, usually big heavy shit happens on Friday. Which makes you wonder, what does Jeph have up is sleave that today's strip is merely part of the set up.

If you read Jeph's twitter feed, he's clearly angsting about what's too come.

My 13 pages estimate may have been a low-ball figure.


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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #311 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:17 »

In this fight, Dora was in the wrong to begin with.  There's "I don't get why this is such a big deal to you, can we talk about it?" dealing with not being allowed to see his porn, and there's "If you won't show it to me openly, I'll sneak behind your back and look at it anyway."  Marten may have flubbed the "joking" warning, but he was pretty clearly not comfortable with it.

Marten messed up when he brought the previous fight into this one.  Still, it explains his "your apologies don't mean anything, so why bother listening" position.

Both of them are in need of some cooling-off time, some friendly advice, and a good hard kick in the pants - Dora for not realizing that this is quite possibly the only time Marten's said no to her aside from in the middle of the fight, and therefore it probably IS a pretty big deal, and Marten for letting his anger over her constant "GRRRR I'M MAD, oh I'm so sorry I'll try to change, lalala we're fine now" cycle reach this point without bringing it up with her when they're both calm.

If this doesn't break them up, it should still lead to a complete reexamining of the relationship - which may end in a "this isn't working" realization or it may not.  At the very *least*, I hope to see Dora in therapy, even if it's unofficial "talking to Sven and Faye and Marten and Hanners" style.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #312 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:21 »



Agree 100% I don't think this is the start of Marten/Faye, far from it. Faye has moved on from Marten, I think that moment that she patted Marten's head after her date solidified that. Were this simply the end of Dora/Marten and both of them we back to being single for awhile, I would be one happy reader.

I agree totally, with the addition that while I think that it solidified that Faye has moved on from Marten, the look Marten gave afterward combined with the follow up panel definitely says that Marten is not over Faye, and he may not even have realized it until that conversation and head pat.

And dammit, I'm still convinced that simmering way down deep in the id is a little piece of Marten that's still pissed that Faye got over her relationship hangups in time to hook up with other guys and not him...a guy that has a little bit of jealousy toward Angus (and hell, Sven), and just a little bit of bitterness toward Dora for making him miss the Faye window.  Perhaps that little guy is here today, shoveling an extra little bit of fuel onto the fire.

What I'm actually kind of expecting (if Marten/Dora ends here or soon) is some period of time where Marten is regressing a bit in his infatuation over Faye (or jealousy over her relationship) while trying to be cool about it and supportive, and dealing with fallout from Dora.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #313 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:22 »

Yeah Dora has no place to go unless she sleeps in the coffee shop.  She might have to stay over Sven's and talk to him about it, and Sven already knows about the other fight (whether Dora knows he is aware of the previous fight remains to be seen) so he may have some sound advice.

Chances are Marten is going to go talk to someone next comic, or Dora will storm into the coffee shop and talk to faye.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #314 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:23 »

And at this point Dora will be kidnapped by a group of rampaging Canadians

Either that, or Marten gets mangled by Vespavenger.



Totally beat me to the Vespavenger reference.  Though I was more picturing her taking Dora to task and Dora having an epic Scott Pilgrim style fight with her.

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #315 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:26 »

Yeah Dora has no place to go unless she sleeps in the coffee shop.  She might have to stay over Sven's and talk to him about it, and Sven already knows about the other fight (whether Dora knows he is aware of the previous fight remains to be seen) so he may have some sound advice.

She knows he knows: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1755
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #316 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:28 »

I kind of agree that his an apathetic guy, goes with the flow. This said I disagree completely with the notion that he only "went with Dora" because he couldn't get Faye. Someone before mentioned that because she asked him out, therefore he was not attracted to her. Um, no! That's slightly sexist to say the least. A girl can ask a guy out and they can go on to have a happy relationship.
It isn't even remotely sexist, I don't know where you get that from. Dora was strongly attracted to him, that much was obvious and Faye had picked up on it even if Marten hadn't. On the other hand, Marten just saw her as a friend as far as I can tell. It's not because she asked him out that I presume he wasn't attracted to her... he just did not seem to be, at any point during the story.

However, I admit... he's obviously a bit attracted to her. I should have said he isn't strongly attracted to her. Even if he was the one to ask her out I'd still say that. A relationship with Dora was, for Marten, an easy and convenient option. I'd even go so far as to say she was his rebound girl. He went with her because there was no reason not to, and because she was a nice girl and a good friend. The strong feelings... don't ever seem to have been there for Marten.

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He wouldn't have said yes had he not been attracted to her. They wouldn't have gone on to date for a few MONTHS had he NOT been attracted to her! If you are not attracted to someone, I find it difficult to believe you would have a relationship beyond a few weeks.
How long in real time does 1200 strips equate to? Sometimes we get three weeks of strips that seem to happen on the same day. Maybe it has only been a couple of months. In any case, the relationship is clearly not lasting, and could easily have ended several times already. It's unstable, partly because Marten isn't strongly attracted to her
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #317 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:29 »

Yeah Dora has no place to go unless she sleeps in the coffee shop.  She might have to stay over Sven's and talk to him about it, and Sven already knows about the other fight (whether Dora knows he is aware of the previous fight remains to be seen) so he may have some sound advice.

She knows he knows: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1755

ah good catch i forgot about that.

regardless, I have been in their situation and it is still salvageable.  I just hope Marten doesnt cave.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #318 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:29 »


I kind of agree that his an apathetic guy, goes with the flow. This said I disagree completely with the notion that he only "went with Dora" because he couldn't get Faye. Someone before mentioned that because she asked him out, therefore he was not attracted to her. Um, no! That's slightly sexist to say the least. A girl can ask a guy out and they can go on to have a happy relationship. He wouldn't of said yes had he not been attracted to her. They wouldn't have gone on to date for a few MONTHS had he NOT been attracted to her! If you are not attracted to someone, I find it difficult to believe you would have a relationship beyond a few weeks. Also what's the link between a girl asking a guy out and therefore a guy is not attracted to the girl? Ridiculous!


I think that you are completely right.

That said, I also think that when Dora asked Martin out he was more attracted to Faye than he was to Dora. Not to say that Martin didn't find Dora attractive, he just found Faye more attractive.

But I think Martin is a pretty insightful person, and he saw potential in a relationship with Dora. They have compatible personalities, they enjoy each others company, and they are attracted to each other. Martin gave the relationship with Dora a real chance, not a "I'll use you as a placeholder until Faye is ready" chance.
And it paid off, Martin fell in love with Dora. He's still in love with Dora. That doesn't excuse the fact that Dora has to work on some issues, as in Therapy work on issues. Martin could use some personal improvement, but nowhere near as much as Dora.

I think that Martin in underestimated. He's a far more mature person, emotionally, than others give him credit for. He also genuinely respects the other people in his life and wants them to be happy. Martin knows that yelling or "asserting his masculinity" or whatever course of action people think he needs to "give him back his balls" isn't always the most appropriate way to deal with other people.

I'm not saying that Martin always chooses the best reaction for a situation. Martin should tell Dora that unless she immediately starts therapy he is breaking up with her (unless it's already too late! XD) and make sure that she sets up an appointment with a therapist the next day.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #319 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:33 »

She knows he knows:

Yes, but does he know that she knows he knows?
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« Reply #320 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:34 »

Agree 100% I don't think this is the start of Marten/Faye, far from it. Faye has moved on from Marten, I think that moment that she patted Marten's head after her date solidified that. Were this simply the end of Dora/Marten and both of them we back to being single for awhile, I would be one happy reader.
Even though I'll always want to see Marten/Faye, that was the moment that I had to accept it probably won't happen. It was very poignant, for me.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #321 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:34 »

She knows he knows:

Yes, but does he know that she knows he knows?
yup look at the comic iduguphergrave posted.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #322 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:35 »

She knows he knows:

Yes, but does he know that she knows he knows?

Stop that!   :-D  They both know the other knows what he/she knows... they're right there having a conversation about it.  100% information.  

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #323 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:36 »

For all the "Dora needs therapy" posts (mine included)... what about BOTH of them going?  Couples therapy at least for a few sessions (Dora at least, and probably Marten as well, should also go for individual sessions).  It seems to me that the main problems in their relationship are communication and the occasional double standard.
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« Reply #324 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:37 »

I think Martin is a pretty insightful person, and he saw potential in a relationship with Dora. They have compatible personalities, they enjoy each others company, and they are attracted to each other. Martin gave the relationship with Dora a real chance, not a "I'll use you as a placeholder until Faye is ready" chance.
I sort of agree with this. I believe he saw a certain potential, but I see it as a calculated chance rather than anything from the heart.

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And it paid off, Martin fell in love with Dora. He's still in love with Dora. That doesn't excuse the fact that Dora has to work on some issues, as in Therapy work on issues. Martin could use some personal improvement, but nowhere near as much as Dora.
This is where we differ, you see... I can't perceive any love in the comics flowing in that direction. Sometimes I see Dora's love for Marten, but not the other way around. I suppose it could be there, but I just don't see it. I always see a guy who is coasting along, but not fulfilled.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #325 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:38 »

I really hope Dora/Marten isn't over...that said I really hope that if its not over that Dora comes to terms with whatever past boyfriend issues she has.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #326 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:40 »

For all the "Dora needs therapy" posts (mine included)... what about BOTH of them going?  Couples therapy at least for a few sessions (Dora at least, and probably Marten as well, should also go for individual sessions).  It seems to me that the main problems in their relationship are communication and the occasional double standard.


Yes, couple's therapy may not be a bad Idea.

The problem is, will Dora go for it?

Her insecurity may prevent her from allowing herself to open up in that way.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #327 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:40 »

For all the "Dora needs therapy" posts (mine included)... what about BOTH of them going?  Couples therapy at least for a few sessions (Dora at least, and probably Marten as well, should also go for individual sessions).  It seems to me that the main problems in their relationship are communication and the occasional double standard.


Can you get couples counseling if you're not married? I'm not being a smartass I'm really asking if non-married couples are known to do that.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #328 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:42 »

For all the "Dora needs therapy" posts (mine included)... what about BOTH of them going?  Couples therapy at least for a few sessions (Dora at least, and probably Marten as well, should also go for individual sessions).  It seems to me that the main problems in their relationship are communication and the occasional double standard.

I don't see anything that really needs addressing in terms of Marten and therapy.  It's pretty common for the more passive person in a relationship to just grin and bear it and repress things down...doesn't really suggest that he has some kind of issues he needs to work on.  But you're right that a round or two with a couple's counselor could go a long way...Marten's biggest issue here is not pressing any points and just dropping everything (until today at least)...in other words, not telling Dora how he feels.  If they were in a situation where they were actually forced to really communicate with each other about their relationship, it could really do a lot of good.  Or it could make them realize that they're not in the right place to keep going with the relationship, and lead to a much more amicable split than the door-slamming kind (so, it'd be doing good either way).  But you're spot on that Dora seems to have some stronger issues going on here and there as opposed to just a lack of communication.  She may be well served talking to a therapist, regardless of how things go down with Marten.

Edit: Ugh, I need to type faster or less.  So many replies between when I start writing and finish.  :(
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #329 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:45 »

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And it paid off, Martin fell in love with Dora. He's still in love with Dora. That doesn't excuse the fact that Dora has to work on some issues, as in Therapy work on issues. Martin could use some personal improvement, but nowhere near as much as Dora.
This is where we differ, you see... I can't perceive any love in the comics flowing in that direction. Sometimes I see Dora's love for Marten, but not the other way around. I suppose it could be there, but I just don't see it. I always see a guy who is coasting along, but not fulfilled.

actually yeah he has shown that he loves her.  Give me a bit to get together some strip numbers as I dont know the numbers off the top of my head but

when the coffee machine blows up marten shows up and gives her 3 gifts as a surprise and without knowing about her bad day

when he first says "I love you" to her.

when they move in together

on occasion when talking about Dora to Tai
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #330 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:46 »

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This is where we differ, you see... I can't perceive any love in the comics flowing in that direction. Sometimes I see Dora's love for Marten, but not the other way around. I suppose it could be there, but I just don't see it. I always see a guy who is coasting along, but not fulfilled.

I think that Martin is unfulfilled, but not in the relationship aspect (or, at least he is fulfilled when Dora isn't being...... touchy) There's a strip where Martin asks Tai 'is this all that there is?" (can't find the strip, grrr) where he expresses disappointment in his job and where his musical career seems to be going. I think he's still unfulfilled in that area.

I also think there's a strip where Martin specifically says that he loves Dora, right around when she wants them to move in together. http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1591

 I'm going to search for the strips, if I find them I'll edit them in.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #331 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:47 »

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How long in real time does 1200 strips equate to? Sometimes we get three weeks of strips that seem to happen on the same day. Maybe it has only been a couple of months.

I refer you to the FAQ.  On the question of time Jeph has said, "... but I estimate that as of strip #1400 it will have been greater than six months and less than two years."

{edit}Add to that Dora and Marten got together at the tail end of one winter, Wil was off travelling another winter (the winter after that?) and it seems to be a warmer time of year now.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #332 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:49 »

I read the strip...and I don't know what to say other than I am very sad but am quite curious about where this is going to go.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #333 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:52 »

Jeph said in a recent ustream that he estimates that Dora and Marten have been dating for around a year now.


I should really go to sleep but holy crap this is exciting!


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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #334 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:54 »

Jeph said in a recent ustream that he estimates that Dora and Marten have been dating for around a year now.


I should really go to sleep but holy crap this is exciting!


No, I don't get out often, why do you ask?
yeah im the same way right now.  I should go to bed though.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #335 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:55 »

I'll be here all night...
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #336 on: 15 Nov 2010, 22:58 »

I think that Martin is unfulfilled, but not in the relationship aspect (or, at least he is fulfilled when Dora isn't being...... touchy) There's a strip where Martin asks Tai 'is this all that there is?" (can't find the strip, grrr) where he expresses disappointment in his job and where his musical career seems to be going. I think he's still unfulfilled in that area.
I remember that one, so I take your point even if you can't remember the exact strip.

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I also think there's a strip where Martin specifically says that he loves Dora, right around when she wants them to move in together. http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1591
...God damn it.

Yeah I give in. He's dumb enough to even love her. Why, I can't fathom... I still don't think he finds the relationship completely fulfilling. There's just something about the way they are depicted in even their happy moments that just makes me feel uncomfortable, like... I'm watching a train wreck in slow motion, or some other horrible disaster.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #337 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:00 »

other than her insecurities shes a pretty awesome girl.
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« Reply #338 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:01 »

other than her insecurities shes a pretty awesome girl.
Each to his own.  :-o

I see her as a girl who would be cool to have as a friend... but never as a girlfriend. You could put her personality in the hottest body, custom designed to appeal to all my tastes and desires and still I'd run a mile before dating her. Something about her just rings hugemungous alarm bells in my head.

Even as a friend I think we'd clash heads over the issue of personal boundaries...
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #339 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:05 »


There's just something about the way they are depicted in even their happy moments that just makes me feel uncomfortable, like... I'm watching a train wreck in slow motion, or some other horrible disaster.


YES. THIS.  I feel exactly the same way. Honestly, I would love it if they broke up. Plot Fodder + Character Development = Totally Awesome.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #340 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:12 »

Seven pages.  By Tuesday.

Jesus.

Well, anyway, I am curious to see where this will go.  Obviously shit is going down, and this is the closest they've had to a "breaking up" moment we've seen.  They clearly won't let it lie at this, there's going to be more discussion at the very least, more yelling and fighting quite possibly, but it's not a good place to be at.
I don't believe that Marten and Dora have been working toward a breakup, per se.  Dora, we all know, has her issues, but she clearly loves Marten and doesn't want to lose what she has.  She just has boundary issues, not only with Marten's behaviour, but obviously now with her own.  Hell, even Faye observed that with Marten's mum doing what she does, porn would obviously be kind of a sore point with him, no matter how well-adjusted he might be.  It's a trust issue, and no doubt a big personal line in the sand, that Dora shouldn't have crossed.

But I think this is more of Marten's issues that we're seeing here.  I don't see hints in the comic that they've been fizzling in the relationship, but I do believe I've seen hints that Marten is starting to question his life a bit.  He has a small group of friends that range from semi-secret-agents to (literally) famously bitchy baristas to the daughter of a pair of supervillians.  He's in a band that even he acknowledges is going nowhere.  He has a job that he openly acknowledges isn't a whole lot of fun for him.  His girlfriend tears him a new asshole over things he doesn't understand and treats him like a kid.  His best friend, who he lives with, still blueballs him every now and then (as we've seen in his dreams) and he's now watching her start a relationship with someone else.  And then throw in basically anything Pintsize does...
It's been said before in earlier discussions, but it needs to be said again - Marten Reed is the most superhumanly well-adjusted individual in the entire universe.  The fact that he's not a screaming ball of crazy right now is proof of that.  But bit by bit, we're watching him become a little more assertive here, a little more domineering there.  He still controls himself - the first and only time we've ever seen him get truly mad in the comic, something Faye even noted, he clamped down on it to be a nice guy to Dora again.  That was, maybe, the first crack in his armour.  This is the next one, and it's a lot bigger.

Anyone who's ever said the words, "I'm sick of your apologies!" knows what it really means.  You're not sick of hearing the apologies, you're sick of being in a situation where the other person has hurt you and is saying sorry, and you have to accept the apology.  You're tired of this cycle where you get hurt and you have to laugh it off and pretend that it's all okay.  Marten is the whipping boy of the entire QC-Universe and it's obvious that he knows it... and it's becoming even more obvious that he's sick of it.  Dora just finally pushed too hard on a topic he wasn't comfortable with, and now things are happening.  And, much like I said with their fight after Faye's panic attack, if and when Marten's armour finally does crack away, I'm going to be very interested to see what's underneath.

Despite the overwhelming odds that Jeph is too sensible to read this thread, I just have to say:  the slow evolution of Marten as a character is one of the main reasons I keep reading QC, and I can't wait to see where this goes.  Even if it gets grim for Dora and Marten, I'm looking forward to the story unfolding.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #341 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:14 »

I'm almost hoping that Hanners comes downstairs, worry-cap on, saying she heard shouting and hoping everything was ok, only to find Martin curled up on the couch while Pintsize uploads Martin's meager porn collection.  She asks if he's ok, sits next to him, says if he need a hug, she wants to be able to give him one, then he leans against her, and then...

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #342 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:16 »

I'm sure this is summed up by the others here, or at least I hope it is, but...

No, bitch, you do not get to violate your boyfriends privacy, give a half assed apology, and get off with an "I'm sorry, too, baby."

That is all. I feel better now.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #343 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:17 »

I'm gonna make a few predictions.

1) Dora runs into Sven and pretty much blames him. That he treated ladies like shit and they kept coming back (unintentional pun? Maybe) yet she makes "one mistake over something that isn't a big deal" and it's the end of the world. Sven will point out that his actions have left him alone and quite sad, and he has to deal with the consequences of his actions, because they have consequences, and she needs to realize that. Cause it kinda seems like she doesn't. Not when it comes to relationships. Not in this instance.

2)After telling Faye, who will (hopefully) tell her that while she has every right to feel hurt, she has little right to feel mad, She will go to the apartment to find Marten really fucking depressed. She will go on about how he didn't handle the situation the best and he will just mutter "I'm just tired of being walked on" or something to that effect. I mean, that's the whole thing that is fueling this right? That Dora acts like she holds all the cards in this relationship? I mean, if you think about it, the only concession that she's given into is moving in with him and Faye, and that only happened after she talked to Faye. Faye convinced her, not Marten. She hasn't handled her insecurities at all. She justs shifts them from one thing to another. Marten, by his nature, enables this, but as a dude who's dealt with people taking advantage of that, knowingly or otherwise, is real fucking tiring. Faye feels a tad guilty (she has done this as well) and goes back to CoD and lets Dora know that they've all fucked up, and that he's really hurting. They all go home and have a nice long talk. Things get better and drama ends for a while.

3) Marten waits a bit, goes to the shop and gets hit by a car 2 blocks away. Dora and Faye both walk up as he's being put into the ambulance. Tears are shed. The servers to these forums burst into flames from the ensuing forum drama. Jeph watches as it burns and laughs a big hearty laugh. Series ends with a snap of Yelling Bird flipping everyone off yelling "THIS ENOUGH DRAMA FOR YOU {insert vulgar insult here}?!"

4) Hanners shows up, consoles Marten, and then MAKES OUT WITH HIM AND THEY TOTALLY DO IT AND IT'S SO UBER HOT!!! Meanwhile, Faye consoles Dora, and they go out with Angus and Marigold and they all get drunk AND TOTALLY HAVE SEX WITH EACH OTHER! AND IT'S SO TOTALLY HOT YOU HAVE NO IDEA. Internets implode.


edit: I realized that I didn't finish my thought on 2. And I added one.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #344 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:23 »

"Marten waits a bit, goes to the shop and gets hit by a car 2 blocks away. Dora and Faye both walk up as he's being put into the ambulance. Tears are shed. The servers to these forums burst into flames from the ensuing forum drama. Jeph watches as it burns and laughs a big hearty laugh. Series ends with a snap of Yelling Bird flipping everyone off yelling "THIS ENOUGH DRAMA FOR YOU {insert vulgar insult here}?!""

I think you're looking for the "Jumping the Shark" Thread.

Though I do think Jeph wouldn't mind seeing these forums burn.

Looks like Martin might be available just as little Hanners is actually ready for actual dating and human relations. Fun.

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #345 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:28 »

"Marten waits a bit, goes to the shop and gets hit by a car 2 blocks away. Dora and Faye both walk up as he's being put into the ambulance. Tears are shed. The servers to these forums burst into flames from the ensuing forum drama. Jeph watches as it burns and laughs a big hearty laugh. Series ends with a snap of Yelling Bird flipping everyone off yelling "THIS ENOUGH DRAMA FOR YOU {insert vulgar insult here}?!""

I think you're looking for the "Jumping the Shark" Thread.


No, no, I've seen some of the other posts here, I'm sure I'm in the right place.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #346 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:37 »

I'm almost hoping that Hanners comes downstairs, worry-cap on, saying she heard shouting and hoping everything was ok, only to find Martin curled up on the couch while Pintsize uploads Martin's meager porn collection.  She asks if he's ok, sits next to him, says if he need a hug, she wants to be able to give him one, then he leans against her, and then...

</fanfic>
... put the worry hat on him, tell him it's gonna be alright and that she thinks he should just let everything cool off, or have her mother "put her away" if he doesn't want the end of their social circle.

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #347 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:41 »

No no no. All wrong.

Dora goes and stabs Sven with a knife she's carrying in her hair.

She tries to stab Faye, but she has CoD's arsenal and knocks Dora out.

When she wakes up, she's tied to a chair. In Tai's house. With a very happy Tai.

Meanwhile, Hannelore goes to see Marten, says her parents are visiting, and asks if he wants to go for a SPAAAAAACE ADVEEEEENTUUUUUUURE with her. They'll meet aliens and Space-Dora, who will be just as bitchy as regular Dora, only since it's space you can't actually hear it.

Marten decides Space-Dora is more tolerable and stays in space with her on a colony that Hannelore's parents built on the moon.

The final page of the comic is a recreation of the first comic, after he had to drown Space-Dora in moon air and got fired by Hannelore's dad from the job he got licking space appliances.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #348 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:41 »

Look, I'm supposed to be up this time of night.

Rest of y'all are just trying to see if this thing hits 10 pages by Wednesday morning.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #349 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:43 »

I think some people in this thread have been starting to mix up "X is at fault for what's going on" with "X is a terrible person."  Get some perspective kthx.
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