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Is this "The Talk" all over again?

Yes.
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No, it's not the same.
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No, it's even worse.
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No, it means Dora's history.
- 30 (10.1%)
No, because it's going to end different.
- 19 (6.4%)
No, because there's emergency bourbon.
- 17 (5.7%)
UBMEOD!
- 34 (11.4%)
Oh heck, who am I kidding?
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(sniff) No, I've just got (sniff) allergies...
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This thread is gonna hit 40 pages by tomorrow, isn't it?
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #350 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:44 »

Welp, there we go, eight pages.

POLL UPDATE!
Is this the end of Dora and Marten?

Yes.    - 17 (18.5%)
No.    - 23 (25%)
Wow, I'm not sure.    - 24 (26.1%)
Don't know.    - 6 (6.5%)
Don't care.    - 11 (12%)
GOOGLE IT, #### it!    - 4 (4.3%)
MOAR PINTSIZE!!!!11!!!!!!11    - 7 (7.6%)

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #351 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:45 »

It's almost like she's on autopilot or something.

That's the impression I got.

...I just have to say:  the slow evolution of Marten as a character is one of the main reasons I keep reading QC, and I can't wait to see where this goes.

Me too...I'm always irked when we go for long stretches without Marten. He is kinda the main character, after all.

I just wish we could get a little focus on him without it being so dramatically centered.

I really hope Marten doesn't cave at this point. The expression in the last panel leaves that possibility open, but I really feel like if he just keeps that spinal implant in place for just a little longer, this will work out for him...with either a strengthened relationship, or the chance to go play the field and find a girl with fewer issues.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #352 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:50 »

If this is the end of Dorten, maybe I can start shipping him with the new improved Hanners XD
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #353 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:52 »

Yeah, I was bothered when the strip went a month this year with Marten speaking once.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #354 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:53 »

I think Dora's going to go to the shop and tell Faye, who's confused as Hell because she just thought Dora and Marten would end up doing le nasty, her perspective of the story, which would likely either warp Marten into a nefarious villain, or talk about how shitty she feels about the whole thing.

Hanners is gonna come down once she thinks the door-slamming is over, to see if anyone hurt themselves. Thus, she is able to talk to Marten and provide a person to talk to (or a mother with a shark tank), which will help him figure out what is ultimately best for him, whether it is a breakup or not (I'm not in either camp in that regard, it depends on what happens in the next few strips moreso than what happened in the most recent couple).
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #355 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:55 »

Dora did seem to be tearing up in the last panel she was in. :|
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #356 on: 15 Nov 2010, 23:59 »

Look, I'm supposed to be up this time of night.

Rest of y'all are just trying to see if this thing hits 10 pages by Wednesday morning.

I'm working... well, kinda  :roll:
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #357 on: 16 Nov 2010, 00:00 »

...(or a mother with a shark tank)...


Shark tanks, always a great way to dispose of a body...


But do the sharks have lasers?

Seriously do the frickin' sharks have frickin'lasers?





And does Hanner-mom have skis that fit Marten?
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #358 on: 16 Nov 2010, 00:11 »

Yeah, I was bothered when the strip went a month this year with Marten speaking once.

Yeah, we went from strip 1729 to 1797, more than four months real time, and aside from his relationship drama, you can count the number of times Marten's appeared on one hand.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #359 on: 16 Nov 2010, 00:31 »

I'm not a Dora-hater, but I think this is it for the two of 'em.

The Martin-train to Dora-town has derailed for the last time, and I'm thinking Martin needs a new lady friend, hopefully either the 'new-and-improved' Hanners or a new cast member, I just don't see him with anyone who's currently available.

(also, Hanners I don't think is really an option, but I kind of just want to see her reaction and the hilarity that would no doubt ensue from dating activities.)
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #360 on: 16 Nov 2010, 00:40 »

I'm thinking Martin needs a new lady friend, hopefully either the 'new-and-improved' Hanners or a new cast member, I just don't see him with anyone who's currently available.

Well...

There's always..

Marigold!

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #361 on: 16 Nov 2010, 00:44 »

I think some people in this thread have been starting to mix up "X is at fault for what's going on" with "X is a terrible person."  Get some perspective kthx.

No, people are associating people who say "X is at fault for what's going on" with people who say "X is a terrible person." Because there have been the latter. Dozens of the latter.

I think Jeph hit the nail on the head on his Twitter. Everyone immediately jumps to who's to blame rather than any of the equally valid questions. For instance, what's to blame? Sure it's Dora's behaviour, but is Dora's behaviour a reflection of her true self or is it merely an issue of hers? It's this question. Actually, Faye's a perfect example. When Faye was first introduced into the strip, she was bitchy, frequently went out of her way to be mean to strangers (Hot Topic anyone?), led Marten on and was deliberately secretive about her past. The issues came to a head and she sought out therapy. Now she's still bitchy and occasionally mean to strangers, but she's sorted out a lot of her issues, is much more open with people and is even capable of carrying on a healthy relationship. Even though her fundamental nature hasn't been altered, she's overcome her issues and become a better person. This isn't the moment for Dora to be kicked to the curb. This is her Faye moment, when she starts taking steps toward becoming the person she actually wants to be.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #362 on: 16 Nov 2010, 00:46 »

In short, get ready for:

Talk 2: The Talkening
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #363 on: 16 Nov 2010, 00:51 »

Why am I still up? Why am I still reading this? I have class in six hours. I should really sleep, or something...

At any rate good thoughts all around. Personally while I'm in favor of them breaking up (I never really cared for their relationship from the start, to me it just felt like Marten was jumping at a chance to be with somebody after the whole Faye drama) my main concern is that I want this to end with Marten showing some backbone. We got a shade of it in their last fight, where Marten stormed out after his "Fuck this" line. However after he met Sven he mellowed out and lost it. I don't want this to just be another, "Well that was immature of us, lets talk for 1-2 panels then make up!" I want to see Marten sit Dora down and explain clearly what he feels, without backing off. as a previous poster who I cannot quote since their post doesn't appear below said: Dora has held all the cards in the relationship from the get go. I want Marten to take some of those cards. Though knowing his luck they'd be 2's, while Dora has all four aces.

In short, get ready for:

Talk 2: The Talkening

What about Talk 2: Shadow of the Talk? Oh well, even Talk 3: Return of the Talk will never top Talk 1: A New Talk
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #364 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:04 »

With this post, we're about 50 away from setting the record for most posts in one thread in the QC Discussion Forum.

And the existing number one thread? The WCT from August 30 - September 3, (about strips 1741-45).

Care to guess what THAT thread was about? (Hint: You're fired, and you don't come back to bed tonight.)
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #365 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:06 »

Are you sure you're going back far enough? How many pages did the Faye/Sven hookup go.

It happened in February 2008.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #366 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:07 »

The problem is pretty obvious. Dora needs to be in command of a relationship, not merely the dominant person. If she just needed to the dominant person, it would have worked And I'm not surprised Marten said that he was sick of her "apologies". She never actually means them.

So it is a break up worthy thing if faults are always committed and the apologies are never meant. Marten wanted to explain and get past this; Dora didn't wait for the explanation and so dumped Marten before he could dump her. Once again she stays in command of the relationship.

Hell even I who hoped for some improvements with this relationship, now am tending towards permanent break up.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #367 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:16 »

Yup, another n00b.

...I like Dora.  As a character.  But I would not want her as an RL friend (were such a thing possible).  Reason being: I would figure out pretty quickly that being Dora's "friend" would mean being snarked at for something I didn't deserve, or mocked for something I held dear, and I would purposely distance myself from her as much as possible upon figuring that out, because "friends" like that, I do not need.  I would find her amusing, I would find her entertaining... I might even enjoy her company, but I would never risk trusting her with any important or vital knowledge about myself.  However, I enjoy her very much as a character - and would in RL - and don't consider her to be a 'bitch', as some have said or implied; merely a strong woman, albeit with personality traits that I would not seek out or tolerate in an actual friendship.

That having been said...

My personal computer is not merely a tool I use to get online or write letters with.  It is the repository of my life, my thoughts, my hopes and dreams.  It holds my tax returns, my resume, the logs of online roleplay sessions both ridiculously fannish and totally perverted.  It contains my goals, my fantasies (pornographic and non), my emails to relatives people don't know I have, lovers that my closest friends don't know I've had, and suicide letters I've written with no actual intent other than to vent my feelings at the time without resorting to that final option.  My computer's hard drive is, in a very real sense, the inside of my soul.  Or as direct an analogue as can be found.

If anyone goes on my computer at any time when I am alive, without my direct express advance permission, and looks at ANYTHING therein, no matter how innocuous... I don't care who they are: friend, lover, family member.  They are GONE.  Out of my life.  Completely, totally, without reprieve.  It is not okay, it will never be okay, and there is nothing anyone could do to make it okay no matter WHAT reason they might have had for doing it.  Period.

Not that this is a boundary that everyone's going to have, or even most people.  But in today's world, it's a more and more common boundary.  Poking around on someone's computer is not the same thing as borrowing someone's razor, or even their vibrator; it is (or can be) a horrific violation.  For someone to utterly disregard that, without any thought whatsoever, indicates that they're either technologically clueless (in which case they'd better not be messing around with anyone's computer!) or the type of person who just doesn't give a damn about any feelings that aren't theirs.

Sadly, there are a lot of the latter in the world.  Yes, including people who don't think of themselves as being 'that sort of person'... but really are.

For me, my computer is my 'hot button', so to speak.  But poking around in anyone else's anything without their consent - yes, even if you are their lover, even if you are their spouse, hell, even if you are their PARENT - speaks of a blithe disregard for that person's personhood.  They do not have a right to privacy, because they are not considered to be a person worthy of privacy; they are less-than, an un-person.

That's not something anybody should tolerate, from anyone - fictional, or not.

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #368 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:20 »

Damn cannoli, that was a pretty awesome 1st-ever post.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #369 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:24 »

Damn. And to think my first post was just obsessing over Minecraft.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #370 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:25 »

So it seems like the old WCT threads from back when they were in their own sub-forum are gone, this thread looks like it will easily break all existing threads by a long shot.

The problem is pretty obvious. Dora needs to be in command of a relationship, not merely the dominant person. If she just needed to the dominant person, it would have worked And I'm not surprised Marten said that he was sick of her "apologies". She never actually means them.

So it is a break up worthy thing if faults are always committed and the apologies are never meant. Marten wanted to explain and get past this; Dora didn't wait for the explanation and so dumped Marten before he could dump her. Once again she stays in command of the relationship.

Hell even I who hoped for some improvements with this relationship, now am tending towards permanent break up.

If Dora wants to be in "Command" of her relationship she should get a Real-Doll. Human beings don't take kindly to that kind of treatment forever.

Somethings definitely bothering Dora about their relationship though. When Marten said he was tired of her apologies, she reacted as if she expected the next words out of her mouth wer going to be "get out."

I don't think either of them want the relationship to be over, but Dora is afraid of being dumped, is expecting to be dumped and is sabotaging things so she at least will get to be the dumper not the dumpee.

I think what the problem is that her previous relationships used anger as an instrument of manipulation, and any infraction on her part was met with either a threat of rejection or actual rejection.

Marten's not doing that. He's simply expressing his honest reactions to what she did, albeit inartfully.

It's even money that when Dora gets back CoD, she'll be in tears and tell Faye that Marten dumped her, when all that really happened is that they were having a fight.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #371 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:33 »

I've changed my mind since yesterday, I think Jeph is going to pull the trigger on the break-up and follow up all the hints of dissatisfaction we've seen from Marten since the "Toto" bit with Faye (incidentally, my favourite non-funny QC strips ever, and this whole ongoing storyline in the middle of a comedy webcomic, with such well fleshed-out characters we can go into this amount of detail about character motives with a heap of strips to back up everyone's viewpoints?  Probably the best argument I've ever seen for this medium for storytelling.  I should tell that to Jeph somewhere he'll actually read...)

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.  Dora doesn't respect Marten.  He's a doormat.  He's whitebread.  His wishes are automatically rejected as not serious.  Dora does as she pleases and while we've seen moments of love between the two, I'm not sure we've ever really seen Dora put Marten ahead of herself (whereas we've definitely seen vice-versa).  I'm not sure if we've seen Dora put anyone's wishes ahead of her own ever other than her worries about Faye being angry at her for "taking" Marten and her compromise of moving in with Marten and Faye (a compromise suggested by someone else, and remembering her first option was to have Marty go with her and let Faye go wherever, but at least she took the compromise).

Marten should have communicated earlier his problems with how she treats him.  He could have defused this before breaking point- maybe.  Communication and assertiveness aren't his strong points.  But he's done right by her every time.  The relationship can't continue if Dora can't admit she needs to change AND THEN DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT.  Marten is now past the point where Dora admitting fault will do, because that happened last time and nothing changed.  Now she has to do something about it- and she can't do that on the spot, it takes time, and that's why they will likely break up.  Perhaps not permanently.  But for a time, until Dora has proven she is not the self-centred envy monster she currently presents as.

I'm really hoping we get Dora vs Sven out of this, because Dora's issues are with Sven and he knows it and she knows it and we've never seen them have it out on screen, nor is there any sign it has happened off screen.  If Dora goes to stay with Sven while "on break" with Marty, maybe it will finally happen.  Dora won't change until she finally squares that away.

If Marten doesn't get back together with Dora, my money is on the Manners ship.  The Faye ship has sailed and it would be a crime to undo the moment of Faye realising that.  There seems little point in breaking Cosette or Penelope's relationships up to put either of them with Marten.  Marten-Marigold is too horrible to contemplate.  But take a look at the Hanners who faux-dated Sven and hugged Marty, and tell me that (especially with Marty of all people) she is not ready to try real dating.  I'm not saying she's ready to break out the whips, the honey and dildos and mix it at a swingers party, or even have the most garden-variety sex imaginable.  But dating, and getting comfortable with touching and cuddling and intimacy?  She is ready.  It's been a terrific slow burn, and if it doesn't happen with Marten it's going to happen with someone.  This is not even incompatible with Marten getting back with Dora later.  Marten-Hanners dating needn't last forever and could be ended without drama.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #372 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:36 »

Good on Marten.  Glad to see him standing up for himself!  Dora was wrong, AGAIN, and she needs to learn that actions have consequences.  If this is the end for them it's on her for pushing the limits so often.  Relationships need trust and Dora doesn't seem to give Marten reason lately.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #373 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:36 »

My personal computer is not merely a tool I use to get online or write letters with.  It is the repository of my life, my thoughts, my hopes and dreams.  It holds my tax returns, my resume, the logs of online roleplay sessions both ridiculously fannish and totally perverted.  It contains my goals, my fantasies (pornographic and non), my emails to relatives people don't know I have, lovers that my closest friends don't know I've had, and suicide letters I've written with no actual intent other than to vent my feelings at the time without resorting to that final option.  My computer's hard drive is, in a very real sense, the inside of my soul.  Or as direct an analogue as can be found.

Well said. Also great job putting all our first posts to shame  :-D

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.  Dora doesn't respect Marten.  He's a doormat.  He's whitebread.  His wishes are automatically rejected as not serious.  Dora does as she pleases and while we've seen moments of love between the two, I'm not sure we've ever really seen Dora put Marten ahead of herself (whereas we've definitely seen vice-versa).  I'm not sure if we've seen Dora put anyone's wishes ahead of her own ever other than her worries about Faye being angry at her for "taking" Marten and her compromise of moving in with Marten and Faye (a compromise suggested by someone else, and remembering her first option was to have Marty go with her and let Faye go wherever, but at least she took the compromise).

Agree 100% with this, and I couldn't have worded it better. It seems that anytime Marten makes a serious plea it is played off by Dora as a joke, or not serious, or what have you. Then the moment Dora does the same Marten has to bend over backwards to appease her. It always ends with them apologizing, and Dora has even admitted her problems... yet she hasn't done anything. That stagnation can't go on forever.
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I'm really hoping we get Dora vs Sven out of this, because Dora's issues are with Sven and he knows it and she knows it and we've never seen them have it out on screen, nor is there any sign it has happened off screen.  If Dora goes to stay with Sven while "on break" with Marty, maybe it will finally happen.  Dora won't change until she finally squares that away.
Same, this is my main wish at the moment. We've seen Dora slap around Sven time and time again, but from his conversation with Marten we know that Sven understands Dora's psyche pretty well. Now is the time for their roles to reverse: Sven needs to give Dora verbal slap across the face by pointing out she has these issues, she knows that she has them, yet continues to do nothing about them. Not only would it be good for Dora, but it would cement Sven's character development after his Faye breakup.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #374 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:42 »


It's even money that when Dora gets back CoD, she'll be in tears and tell Faye that Marten dumped her, when all that really happened is that they were having a fight.

Dora telling Faye that Martin dumped her is pretty extreme reality bending, Dora may have exaggerated/jumped to conclusions about events in the past, but never to that extent. Dora clearly ended the relationship. Even she should be able to acknowledge that. If she doesn't I call character assassination.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #376 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:51 »

Are you sure you're going back far enough? How many pages did the Faye/Sven hookup go.

It happened in February 2008.

Nope. Faye/Sven, at its best, was 297 posts.

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #377 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:53 »

...I like Dora.  As a character.  But I would not want her as an RL friend (were such a thing possible).  Reason being: I would figure out pretty quickly that being Dora's "friend" would mean being snarked at for something I didn't deserve, or mocked for something I held dear, and I would purposely distance myself from her as much as possible upon figuring that out, because "friends" like that, I do not need.

This was the only part of your post I took strong issue with, because I can't think of a single time Dora's done that to anyone. I can find a few dozen times Faye's done it, one time Marten did it to Tai and there was Angus making fun of Penelope's shirt, but I can't think of a time Dora's been snarky (snarky in contrast to vindictive or angry) or mocking. I think people seem to get that impression because it's the logical next step in most of her faults, but it seems to be where she draws the line.

The rest of your post I really loved because in a lot of ways it was very philosophically personal. I share your hangup about people using my computer or accessing it without my permission, although I tend to draw the line at saying I'd remove someone from my life altogether with no exceptions and no chance of reprieve. They would, however, strongly have to indicate that they'd seen why what they did was wrong and prove to me that it wouldn't happen again.

It kind of splits the issue into two separate dichotomies. Dora didn't commit any wrongdoing from a relationship perspective, she committed it from the perspective of any two people period. The progression of a relationship is essentially the destruction of the divisions between two people, in other words the closest two people can get is when they have no privacy when it comes to each other. However such steps must be taken willingly and Dora seemed to think she was entitled to push further than she should have. Respect for other people's personhood seems to be lacking from Dora's immediate reactions to things. While I see this as a serious problem, I don't judge her for it as it seems to be something she's come by honestly.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #378 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:56 »

While I'm sure I had some sort of serious reply in the works regarding character development and plot progression, all I can seem to think about right now is Hannelore and Marten. Kudos for effectively invading my thought process, Arky.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #379 on: 16 Nov 2010, 01:59 »

Torpedo the Anyone/Hannelore ship before it even gets out of drydock: WOG has said it's NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #380 on: 16 Nov 2010, 02:02 »

Whow 8 pages already ! :-o

Sorry guys I wont read that much. :-)

Pretty sad, but my vote is definitely: yes, they are through.

Amazing how fast that one went.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #381 on: 16 Nov 2010, 02:06 »

Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.


I'd like to think that, as a character, Marten's not that one dimensional. Most real people have pretty diverse taste in attractiveness.

For years I dated only extra-busty redheads because that's what I liked.    I married a tallish skinny Korean chick because that's who I fell in love with. 

No regrets.   And she's much less violent than those redheads.   ;) 

Off topic, but could you point me to the extra-busty redheads?  Or at least your technique for catching them in the first place?  :)
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #382 on: 16 Nov 2010, 02:07 »

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Um, being a computer expert, I hate to inform you that your computer is something that is very easily broken into, and very easily all data on the computer gets lost.

Never trust the machine.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #383 on: 16 Nov 2010, 02:10 »

Dora telling Faye that Martin dumped her is pretty extreme reality bending, Dora may have exaggerated/jumped to conclusions about events in the past, but never to that extent. Dora clearly ended the relationship. Even she should be able to acknowledge that. If she doesn't I call character assassination.

I'm not sure she did though, when she said "...Well. I guess that's it then." I think she was reacting as if Marten said "I'm sick of you-" without the last part of that sentence, "-r apologies!"

The fundamental problem here is she's not listening to Marten, she's apologizing, but doesn't know what she even did, so how can that be a sincere apology?
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #384 on: 16 Nov 2010, 02:10 »

Torpedo the Anyone/Hannelore ship before it even gets out of drydock: WOG has said it's NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

WOG may have just meant Hanners sleeping with someone and their gross bodily fluids.  If Hanners can't progress to dating before the strip ends then it must be ending in like the next 6 months, or else Hanners gets concussed and loses years of character development or something.  I doubt Jeph has been slowly but steadily progressing Hanners to the point of the "socially acceptable hugging" and the faux-date just to never develop Hanners again.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #385 on: 16 Nov 2010, 02:16 »

The problem is pretty obvious. Dora needs to be in command of a relationship, not merely the dominant person. If she just needed to the dominant person, it would have worked And I'm not surprised Marten said that he was sick of her "apologies". She never actually means them.

So it is a break up worthy thing if faults are always committed and the apologies are never meant. Marten wanted to explain and get past this; Dora didn't wait for the explanation and so dumped Marten before he could dump her. Once again she stays in command of the relationship.

Hell even I who hoped for some improvements with this relationship, now am tending towards permanent break up.
I have to say theres some really good reads in this thread. Like this one.



Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.


I'd like to think that, as a character, Marten's not that one dimensional. Most real people have pretty diverse taste in attractiveness.

For years I dated only extra-busty redheads because that's what I liked.    I married a tallish skinny Korean chick because that's who I fell in love with.  

No regrets.   And she's much less violent than those redheads.   ;)  

Off topic, but could you point me to the extra-busty redheads?  Or at least your technique for catching them in the first place?  :)

Um, roping them with a lasso ? :-D SCNR

Redheads rock. Albeit I have no way to distinguish between fake and real ones. So - women rock. Hehe.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #386 on: 16 Nov 2010, 02:29 »

Snubnose, I think we can add a third law:

Laws of sexual dynamics:
1. In a given dispute, the female is more likely to be correct.
2. If you think a girl is attracted to you, you are wrong.

3. In any argument, even if the man is right, the woman will make him feel miserable enough to believe he is wrong.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #387 on: 16 Nov 2010, 02:39 »

I find this sort of characterisation offensive, even in humour...
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #388 on: 16 Nov 2010, 03:00 »

@pwhodges: They are from early QC, thats why I wouldnt like to remove it now.

Am I the only one who gets pretty sad that Dora + Marten seems to end now ?

They had such cute episodes, like this one: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1515

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #389 on: 16 Nov 2010, 03:06 »

WELL THAT'S TORN IT
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #390 on: 16 Nov 2010, 03:08 »

Prediction: Dora will go back to CoD and get all emotional with Faye around.  Then after work she'll go see Sven and they'll both talk to each other about how much their lives suck.  Sven because he thought he was making progress towards being a better person but got shot down by Faye.  Dora because she's always had to work to make a relationship last with her past douchebags and now she's doing a fine job of destroying the one person who she's not had to bend over backwards for.  Dora will get upset with Sven initially, because she's upset that he's never had to try to get women, while she's had the opposite.

But they'll both revert back to their old ways out of self pity.  Sven will seduce Dora and they'll have intense, rigorous, and deliciously painful sex for the whole night.  Then, the next day, Sven will leave unannounced realizing what an asshole move it was to have sex with his own sister.  Of course they didn't think to use protection and Dora will get pregnant with her brother's child.  And since Sven will not be around, she will be a single mother living on her own.

As for Marten, he'll be standing in the doorway for about 15 minutes after Dora leaves with the same dumb expression on his face, only after about five minutes tears will start flowing from his eyes.  Hanners will show up with cleaning supplies on expecting that Marten would be gone and she was going to secretly clean his apartment while he was gone.  Then she'll see Marten crying and it'll change her completely.  Marten is such a great, and emotionally strong man.   There's no way he could be crying unless it was a true tragedy. 

She'll approach him and he'll jump, not noticing she was there.  She'll ask if he's okay and he'll wipe away his tears while saying yes, trying to remain strong.  Hanners will see through it though.  Marten is a sort of hero to her and has helped her so much, and now its her turn to return the favor.  She'll grab him by the hand with her yellow glove hands, take him over to the couch to sit him down, and take a seat next to him. She'll ask him what is wrong and to not bother telling her nothing because she knows better!

Marten will explain the situation and she'll tell him that he deserves better than Dora.  Hanners will take off her gloves, scoot closer to Marten and nuzzle his face with her face mask and put her bare hand on his lap.  Marten will be shocked initially, because he knows of her OCD.  He'll grab her hand to move it away from him, but as soon as he touches her hand, he'll realize how soft and clean her skin is.

Marten will stare blankly into her bright, beautiful blue eyes.
"What about your O-" He'll mutter.
"It can be ignored." Hanners will retort.

And I'll leave the intimate Hanners and Marten to your imagination, except that Marten will use a condom since they're in Marten's (and formerly Dora's) place.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #391 on: 16 Nov 2010, 03:18 »

Yeah, that's not creepy at all... :roll:
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #392 on: 16 Nov 2010, 03:20 »

I could see Dora and Marten breaking up over this, although it's obvious that that's not what Marten really wants.

There's no way in hell that I could see Marten ACTUALLY dating Hanners. I could see Hanners wanting to, but I couldn't see Marten thinking of her in that way at all, and even if he did, I couldn't see him wanting to deal with those issues right after Dora's issues.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #393 on: 16 Nov 2010, 03:20 »

i honestly forgot how horrifying this subforum is
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #394 on: 16 Nov 2010, 03:21 »

Just posting to say that anyone that didn't see today's strip coming for months is an idiot. Dora's been (either deliberately or subconsciously, but it doesn't matter at the end of the day for Marten because the end result will still be the same) trying to destroy her relationship with Marten for a long time.

I don't think Jeph has the balls to make the Marten/Hanners portion of Odal's post a reality, but it would be pretty sweet and have a lot more potential for actual storyline and humor than "more of the same old shit" by having Marten somehow take the initiative and patch things up with Dora again.

EDIT for akronnick's post: Incest fic or not, it beats the hell out of the story we've had between Marten and Dora since, well, forever.

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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #395 on: 16 Nov 2010, 03:23 »

Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.


I'd like to think that, as a character, Marten's not that one dimensional. Most real people have pretty diverse taste in attractiveness.

For years I dated only extra-busty redheads because that's what I liked.    I married a tallish skinny Korean chick because that's who I fell in love with. 

No regrets.   And she's much less violent than those redheads.   ;) 

Off topic, but could you point me to the extra-busty redheads?  Or at least your technique for catching them in the first place?  :)


The YMCA was a good place to find them...  they are always trying to burn off those extra pounds because they think they are fat.

As for "catching" them,   all I did was be my normal charming self... treat them like human beings... and in general go in looking to be a "friend" rather than Mr. Fuck-And-Chuck.       You'd be surprised how well that works for "catching" teh womens.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #396 on: 16 Nov 2010, 03:26 »

TBH I don't know if Dora really loves Marten (speaking as Marten as a man). I mean, being insecure and all, she's being too picky with him, she's treating him like an old friend or a little brother/cousin. She won't realize she's pushing the boundaries between do and don'ts on a relationship.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #397 on: 16 Nov 2010, 03:35 »

TBH I don't know if Dora really loves Marten (speaking as Marten as a man). I mean, being insecure and all, she's being too picky with him, she's treating him like an old friend or a little brother/cousin. She won't realize she's pushing the boundaries between do and don'ts on a relationship.

Freud would absolutely love this comic, that's for sure. Marten has some serious Oedipal issues going on (what with the only wishing to date/being attracted to women that take a domineering stance with him initially) and Dora has that Niquee and Anasterax thing going on as sub-text with Sven.

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Um, being a computer expert, I hate to inform you that your computer is something that is very easily broken into, and very easily all data on the computer gets lost.

Never trust the machine.

You may want to think a bit more before you post something this stupid again. The person you're quoting never said anything about trusting the machine, what backup system they had set up or anything along those lines, they only spoke about what they put on the machine and how they would feel if someone that was supposed to be a friend went onto the system looking for something to mock them about.
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #398 on: 16 Nov 2010, 03:57 »

The YMCA was a good place to find them...  they are always trying to burn off those extra pounds because they think they are fat.

As for "catching" them,   all I did was be my normal charming self... treat them like human beings... and in general go in looking to be a "friend" rather than Mr. Fuck-And-Chuck.       You'd be surprised how well that works for "catching" teh womens.

Yeah, it wasn't the "catching" bit, more the "finding".  I hardly ever meet any!

The YMCA, really?  Young man, it's a place you can go, I said young man, when you're short on your dough, but chicks there, really?

But then they do say that you can stay there and they're sure you will find many ways to have a good time, so I suppose it makes sense!
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Re: WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
« Reply #399 on: 16 Nov 2010, 04:00 »

TBH I don't know if Dora really loves Marten (speaking as Marten as a man). I mean, being insecure and all, she's being too picky with him, she's treating him like an old friend or a little brother/cousin. She won't realize she's pushing the boundaries between do and don'ts on a relationship.

Freud would absolutely love this comic, that's for sure. Marten has some serious Oedipal issues going on (what with the only wishing to date/being attracted to women that take a domineering stance with him initially) and Dora has that Niquee and Anasterax thing going on as sub-text with Sven.

Also the comic is like a giant Rorschach blot for all of us to project our own issues with men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! onto Marten and Dora.  A therapist could sweep in here and have a field day, although they should only be paid at bulk rate for everyone who called Dora a bitch.
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