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Yes.

15 (5%)

No, it's not the same.

14 (4.7%)

No, it's even worse.

25 (8.4%)

No, it means Dora's history.

30 (10.1%)

No, because it's going to end different.

19 (6.4%)

No, because there's emergency bourbon.

17 (5.7%)

UBMEOD!

34 (11.4%)

Oh heck, who am I kidding?

4 (1.3%)

(sniff) No, I've just got (sniff) allergies...

31 (10.4%)

This thread is gonna hit 40 pages by tomorrow, isn't it?

109 (36.6%)

Total Members Voted: 237

[akronnick]

They aren't actually broken up Tergon, Dora merely is saying that they should break up at this point and Martin is all O_o.         

It's not official until one of them walks out of the building with a

I agree with MDBS, she's offered a resignation, but it remains to be seen if Marten accepts, and if he refuses, whether she'll demand a release.

So there's some hope.






...but not much, she probably will, which is what I believe the Weekend Cliffhanger will be.

[Ghostfingers]

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=756

MARTEN THE PROPHET

wow, good find.  Pretty much sums up the situation, except for the bit about the harley.

Yeah, no joke. Especially with Dora over there, making her innocent face. What's if she's been planning this the /entire time?/

(I am really joking please do not take this as a serious attack)

[graymouser]

 

Well, this seems to be going in a direction that in the very long run will be good for both the characters and the comic.  In the short run, I'd be surprised if we make it to 1900 without Marten being hella mopey the whole damn time.

By having Dora say it was all about Marten's past feelings for Faye, it means that this has been looming over the whole relationship, the entire time they were together.  And god damn, that has to be a hellish thing to go through, it must've been a year or so.  Glad it's ending, now....angst!  Just in time for X-Mas!

[muffin_of_chaos]

Kaboom.  Sweet.

[LeeC]

Well, this seems to be going in a direction that in the very long run will be good for both the characters and the comic.  In the short run, I'd be surprised if we make it to 1900 without Marten being hella mopey the whole damn time.

By having Dora say it was all about Marten's past feelings for Faye, it means that this has been looming over the whole relationship, the entire time they were together.  And god damn, that has to be a hellish thing to go through, it must've been a year or so.  Glad it's ending, now....angst!  Just in time for X-Mas!

saying that marten's feeling's for faye has been looming over their relationship is probably true from Dora's perspective but its unfounded and she seriously needs a reality check.  If marten still liked faye then he would have been mad or depressed when faye slept with sven (he wasnt), he wouldnt have tried to help the coupling of faye and angus, and he wouldnt have let Dora move in!

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

Next strip.  

An enraged Hanners storms into the apartment and DEMANDS THAT THE RELATIONSHIP CONTINUE OTHERWISE SHE WILL GET VERY ANGRY DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME.

Moments a slightly drunk Faye stumbles in and says "Oh hey I tried to call you Hanners but you didn't answer--"

This leads to the question of HOW DID HANNERS KNOW ABOUT THE BREAKUP?    Hilarious hijinx ensue on Monday.      Angst and drama resume on Tuesday.

Hanners knew because SHE IS A SPACE WIZARD

SPACE WIZARDS ARE REAL

[Tergon]

They aren't actually broken up Tergon, Dora merely is saying that they should break up at this point and Martin is all O_o.          

It's not official until one of them walks out of the building with a

Touche, MillionDollar Belt Sander (why are we bolding names now?).  It ain't over 'til it's over.  Still, the bandwagon jumpers on the poll do make me chuckle, and you have to admit there's some reason for it. 

[sidpatt]

Next strip.  

An enraged Hanners storms into the apartment and DEMANDS THAT THE RELATIONSHIP CONTINUE OTHERWISE SHE WILL GET VERY ANGRY DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME.

Moments a slightly drunk Faye stumbles in and says "Oh hey I tried to call you Hanners but you didn't answer--"

This leads to the question of HOW DID HANNERS KNOW ABOUT THE BREAKUP?    Hilarious hijinx ensue on Monday.      Angst and drama resume on Tuesday.

Hanners knew because SHE IS A SPACE WIZARD

SPACE WIZARDS ARE REAL

Man how awesome would this comic be if Marigold wrote the next week's worth of strips.

[Odin]

Well, this seems to be going in a direction that in the very long run will be good for both the characters and the comic.  In the short run, I'd be surprised if we make it to 1900 without Marten being hella mopey the whole damn time.

By having Dora say it was all about Marten's past feelings for Faye, it means that this has been looming over the whole relationship, the entire time they were together.  And god damn, that has to be a hellish thing to go through, it must've been a year or so.  Glad it's ending, now....angst!  Just in time for X-Mas!

Kind of reminds me of a coworker that always broke up with/got into a huge angry argument with whoever he was dating at the time just so he wouldn't have to buy them any presents or accept/return any shitty presents (his words) whenever any holidays/birthdays came around.

[Millennium]

I can see it now. Vulnerable!Marten and Drunk!Faye wind up in bed together, Dora sleeps with Angus for revenge, Hanners freaks out and somehow both Tai and Marigold are there at exactly the right moment for "special" consolation, Raven and Penelope-as-Pizza-Girl wind up in some kind of porno with Sven (scripted by Jimbo), and the apartment building burns down killing everyone inside and bringing the while comic full circle. The last panel is of the Vespavenger and Tortura walking into the sunset, hand in hand, followed by an epilogue that consists entirely of Yelling Bird shouting "SEE I TOLD YOU SO. THE END."

 

[hannahsaurusrex]

I want Marten to stand up for their relationship. There's not really a more
eloquent way to put it.
The way I view Marten is that he doesn't really see himself as more than average. Whether it's the time in between his last relationship and this one, I got the feeling he was getting rejected a lot. I also wonder if he ever really would have quit being an office bitch if he wasn't laid off. Point being, he never really expects anything good, so he doesn't put himself out there. He didn't ever really try for Faye, a new career, or his music.

I want him to fight for something he cares about, and right now, he cares about Dora.

Also, even if it's silly, I always thought of Dora and Marten to be a manifestation of all the comic artists and their pairs:
Christi and Jeph, Carly Monardo and Chris Hastings, Ryan North and his wife, etc...
Maybe not personality wise, but I kinda was hoping we wouldn't have to worry about those two.

I'm definitely sad, a little hopeful, but all in all trusting in Jeph.

[graymouser]

saying that marten's feeling's for faye has been looming over their relationship is probably true from Dora's perspective but its unfounded and she seriously needs a reality check.  If marten still liked faye then he would have been mad or depressed when faye slept with sven (he wasnt), he wouldnt have tried to help the coupling of faye and angus, and he wouldnt have let Dora move in!

Well, I think Marten was able to put certain things aside because he was serious about his relationship with Dora.  I think the changed perspectives may alter how he looks at his feelings for Faye as well, but I've stated that while I think they will likely end up together, that would be a LONG way off (like, on the order of how long the Marten/Dora relationship has taken to get to this point).  The immediate future probably is not good for Marten / anybody.

[Skewbrow]

Fuck. Not what I wanted to happen. Well, Jeph's the one calling the shots.

So Marten had a wrong view about what Dora's problem was, and therefore failed to do much about it. So much for the Cliff's notes from Sven. Might not have made a difference, anyway?

In a way this makes sense. As an afterthought I recall feeling a little bit uneasy about a couple of things, while I read about them for the first time (in my case something like last January). I was a little bit surprised with the ease Marten could switch his affection from Faye to Dora. Granted he was a close friend with both of them, but even so. Apparently he never convinced Dora, even though the point was raised many times over. The other thing was about Dora's rush to move together with Marten. It took me by surprise, but from Dora's POV she may have wanted to test the waters, and see whether Marten *is* completely over Faye. Marten's obvious reluctance was just about not wanting to take such a big step without due consideration, but IIRC it was also about not leaving Faye to live by herself. Faye+Angus had not really started at that point yet, and Faye was still in need of support. While she accepted the rational of the reluctance, this didn't exactly help to still Dora's fears. No matter how unfounded the fears were.

Hindsight is always 20/20, and at the time I wrote those things off myself as being consequences of my own very inadequate understanding of relationship dynamics.

So Dora cannot quite muster up the strength to face whatever ghosts there are (Faye, the boyfriends from the past, whatever). She's in need of the support of her friends more than ever. Ok, I shouldn't call Faye a ghost. Rather it is the image of the look on Marten's face when he came to CoD to meet Faye during the first 500 strips. Apparently that image is etched too deeply in Dora's memories.

Damn, Jeph! How can you save QCverse now? Marten will never visit CoD again? One thing's certain: I really want to see how Jeph handles this!!!!

But our friends are in pain, and somebody wants to throw a frigging party. Please remind me that "it's just a comic" before I start calling them names, and being a dick in every possible way. Quick.

[Napoleon_Blownapart]

As far as in the short term... I really don't see any possible romantic matches for Marten right now.

Marigold?

[Arky]

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=756

MARTEN THE PROPHET

wow, good find.  Pretty much sums up the situation, except for the bit about the harley.

Give it time.

[graymouser]

Damn, Jeph! How can you save QCverse now? Marten will never visit CoD again? One thing's certain: I really want to see how Jeph handles this!!!!

It's possible that breaking up Marten and Dora means that Jeph is looking for a location other than Coffee of Doom for QC to be set in.  Which could be good (re-invigorates the strip) or bad (changing things always has a possibility of going horribly wrong).  Either that, or bringing in new management at CoD.  Dunno.

[hannahsaurusrex]

She owns it, I don't see her selling anytime soon

[akronnick]

But our friends are in pain, and somebody wants to throw a frigging party. Please remind me that "it's just a comic" before I start calling them names, and being a dick in every possible way. Quick.

Oh that thread is well and truly de-railed!!

The Order of the Dick-broom has take over and set up a garrison.

You should check it out...If you can handle the turkey droppings that is.

[Odin]

I just had a terrible thought that would have me beyond pissed if it turns out to be true: every strip since is us viewing the fiction Marigold wrote and sent to Tai.

[Technetium]

Martin should hook up with a fatty.

SRSLY

[AnAverageWriter]

As far as in the short term... I really don't see any possible romantic matches for Marten right now.

Marigold?

Heck yes!

That's even better than the "Marten actually being Patrick Duffy's Lover" awakening plotline proposed earlier!

Let the Marigold/Marten romance commence!

[Skewbrow]

But our friends are in pain, and somebody wants to throw a frigging party. Please remind me that "it's just a comic" before I start calling them names, and being a dick in every possible way. Quick.

Oh that thread is well and truly de-railed!!

The Order of the Dick-broom has take over and set up a garrison.

You should check it out...If you can handle the turkey droppings that is.

  Thanks. I needed that. Things don't look so dire any more.

[Mad Cat]

Damnit! Where's my emergency swilling sherry?

[Border Reiver]

Man, a guy gets some sleep and 7 frickken pages appear.  It's too damned early in the morning for beer, and this weekend is an army exercise.

And a dramabomb gets dropped on a Thursday?  There is only one solution that presents itself -

"Ladies and gentlemen of the UBMEOD Brigade - it truly saddens me that at this time we must acknowledge that we have lost the battle for reason and calm.  We have fought valiantly and with honour, but the forces of our enemies have rendered further resistance untenable and will only serve to destroy the hopes and dreams of the forum.  I salute you, my comrades and call on you to lay down your UBMEODs and return to your homes.  We will rebuild our society and in time will return to face the foes of calm and reasoned discourse.  It has been an honour to have served at your sides."

[xerada]

Maan, can't a girl just get some work done? Darn my obsession, had to read the SEVEN FRIGGIN NEW PAGES.

But one post caught my eye, and I totally agree:

My wife's reaction to Dora's action was "It's all about her".

Yeah, Dora's as self-centered as ever. And, I dare say, she's not completely honest here (that may as well mean she's not honest with herself. I don't think she's doing this on purpose). I mean, breaking up with Marten 'cause she thinks he still roots for Faye? That's her issue? Because, even in QC time, over a year ago she moved too fast? No, I don't think so. But whatever her reasons are, she's not telling.

[Bendal]

Dora has never gotten over her insecurity; she's said in the past all her previous boyfriends were jerks and losers, and she's always been expecting Martin to be the same way.   It's her insecurity that sent her to look at his porn stash, even though she knew he had already said he didn't want her to do that.  So, not only do we have her insecurity issues, now we've got her breach of trust and privacy with Martin as well.

I have to say it, but it's about time they separated.  Maybe a short time apart will get Dora to realize how good for her the relationship with Martin was, and start making an effort to change her attitude.  But I don't expect it to happen.

[GeoffTheLlama]

Okay.  This actually makes a lot more sense than, "Dora is being a crazy, mood-swinging bitch."  I'd probably be this insecure too if I thought my boyfriend might still be harboring feelings for his (now our) roommate/best friend that he had a crush on and was rejected by very shortly before taking up with me.  I'm not saying she's right, because I think Marten's made it very clear that his attention is square on Dora, but jealousy is rarely rational, and she has, I'm sure, plently niggling at the back of her mind.  For instance, Marten would not move out of the apartment with Faye - Dora had to move in.  From an outsider perspective, this is a guy not willing to move too fast and leave his comfort zone of 'things as they've always been'.  From Dora's perspective, this probably read as, 'Okay, he doesn't want to leave Faye behind.'  Faye is treated by Marten similarly to Dora, in that they are capable of having intimate personal conversations.  Outsiders would see this as a truly good, supportive friendship.  Dora could easily see it as 'treating Faye like me but without the sex.'  And the list goes on and on and on.

The fact of the matter is, Dora is right here; not in her perception that Marten was eventually going to leave her due to unresolved feelings for Faye, because I have a feeling that even if Marten does still feel something for Faye, that's not enough to pull him away from Dora, who's he's built this relationship with.  No, Dora's right in that if she can't get over her insecurity and get her head back in the game, then yes, they need to break up.  It doesn't have to be permanent, but that's up to her and her ability to overcome her security issues.  At the end of the day she's the only one who can learn to get over this; no one, especially not a boyfriend, can teach her to love herself.   That's what the real issue here is - self esteem, leading to insecurity and jealousy.

Say what you will about Dora following past M.O.s of getting out before things have a chance to blossom, but I think her reasoning here is sound (which is probably why Marten has that devastated silence for two panels - not only did she just dump him, but it's difficult to argue with her logic because it's not about his feelings for Faye but how Dora perceives them, which is something he cannot change). I'm just hoping she doesn't actually burn this bridge she's crossed after the fact.

[Annaira]

I feel like someone just clapped at the bottom of a snowbank. Hel-lo, avalanche.

Saw this coming. It's still sad. I find it a little unfair that Faye can change for the better, Hannelore can change for the better, but Dora can't. She always seemed like such a strong character, but she's unable to do anything but remain stuck in her ways? Feh.

I personally hope Marten stays out of a relationship for awhile. He needs to learn to complete himself instead of needing someone else to complete him. Besides, this isn't a 'ship cartoon and I hope it stays that way.

[/random brain tidbits]

[jordinyc]

The world famous strip 1799 as re-done by Hideaki Anno
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_(anime)

(with HUGE apologies to Mr Jacques)



DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT APPROVE OF VIOLENCE OF ANY SORT, ESPECIALLY DOMESTIC. AND YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER!! This is simply my analogy between Marten and Shinji. I do not mean to imply choking someone because they dumped you is at all acceptable (even if it is happening inside your brain whilst it's being merged with that of every human on planet earth in a supernatural cataclysmic forced evolution).

Oh, and I'm only posting here so the tsunami of personal opinions doesn't spill into the fanart thread or any other for that matter.

[Zipperstuck]

Basically, Dora sees a problem, thinks she can't solve it and gives up.

Which basically means she doesn't trust any of her friends to be capable of helping her. But she's suspicious of everyone and everything, due to her past boyfriends experience. So she won't let anyone. And since she isn't being helped, things are only getting worse.


The login inside Dora's head I see here: Why does this happen to me? Because I don't trust people. Why don't I trust people? Because they betrayed me. Why won't I let my friends help me? Because I don't trust them. Why don't I trust them? Because trust lead to pain in the past.


Dora is basically setting up her own demise again. The solution isn't to stop, it's to push on. Dora, for all her randomness and coolness, has almost never shown deep emotion of any kind. She's kinda just rolling along with what seems fun at the time and doesn't know what to do when things get difficult.

Running away isn't the answer.

[Copernicious]

This breakup has salvaged QC for me. Several people have already mentioned that the comic has fallen into a rut of very few dimensions. I couldn't agree more, and for months I've been hoping for a major change. Faye/Angus didn't do it for me, and when Dora and Marten's fight in August was resolved with barely a flicker (especially after deeper-running consequences were hinted at with the 'favorite Toto song' deal) I almost gave up on the comic altogether. But now I see Jeph was merely setting this up so their relationship could come to an organic and realistic conclusion.
To deviate on that note for a bit, as far as I can tell, 99% of the QC plot has progressed without straying very far beyond the same block of buildings. A great deal of spiciness could be added without breaking from the formula; there could be an epic and character-building road trip with the whole cast, or the story could follow Wil and Penelope on a voyage to Paris. Anyone agree?
I don't mean to sound overly critical; I'm just expressing my hope that the comic can find a new direction in which to head.

[KingPellinore]

If the whole source of Dora's anxiety truly is her fear that Marten still wants to jump Faye's bones, I can see only one real way to resolve the situation.


Dora has to beat Marten to the punch and sleep with Faye first.

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

(snip awesome edit)

I KNOW

I KNOW I'VE LET YOU DOWN

(jordinyc, I fucking love you for this)

[PhocsM]

I don't know what would be better for the comic and I don't care either. Looking at Marten and Dora's relationship was nice and I really liked it.
I hope they get back together because even with all the problems and shit they had to go through it is still a beautiful relationship.

[Border Reiver]

Dora has to beat Marten to the punch and sleep with Faye first.

Already done.

[StMonkey]

Prediction: Another timeskip. Hanners and Marigold are getting married, Marten flies back in from Cali and at the wedding, spots Faye from across the reception hall dancing with her fiance Angus. Marten and Faye's eyes lock...

[jwhouk]

After reading today's strip, I'm not EVEN going to bother with pages 21-27 of this thread.

You wanna see Marten get some balls? You wanna see him "grow a pair"?

His next word (and so help me Jeph, you don't go this way, you might as well start putting him in a brown t-shirt that says "WELCOME" in big bright letters, because he's a DOORMAT) would be:

"NO."

[jwhouk]

How is this going to end?

Dora and Marten - splitsville.    - 52 (20.7%)
Dora will take Marten back.    - 2 (0.8%)
Marten will take Dora back.    - 22 (8.8%)
Got a quarter? I can't decide.    - 13 (5.2%)
It's going to drag the ENTIRE CAST into it.    - 63 (25.1%)
Faye will flee into the arms of Angus.    - 3 (1.2%)
Sven will beat Dora senseless over ditching Marten.    - 33 (13.1%)
Someone... will die. (There, I said it.)    - 11 (4.4%)
It never ends, kids. It. NEVER. ENDS.    - 40 (15.9%)
GOOGLE IT!    - 2 (0.8%)
Oh, almost forgot: WHO CARES? MOAR PINTSIZEEEE!!!111!!!!!1!    - 10 (4%)

Total Voters: 250

[WhyNot]

Marten does need to grow a set and stand up for himself and the relationship.  I'm a quite literal person so if I was Marten and Dora said, as she did, "But I think we should call it quits." Isn't the same as saying it's over and is merely an opinion during an emotional state.  As another reader posted, the Faye thing is in Dora's head which is where Marten needs to go stating those things about not being jealous of Sven, helping Angus and Faye hook up and letting Dora move in.    

As for the porn thing and violation of privacy...that's always a tough one.  Couples shouldn't have secrets, but should respect each others privacy to a degree...then again, maybe that's just how I was raised being a 30-something person.  If Dora was really interested in seeing what porn Marten was into (I find it really odd that it hasn't come up before with half the stuff talked about in the strips), she should have said something along the lines of "Hey, I'd love to watch some of your porn with you" given him a wink, a grope and a spank on the ass.  

As my mind continues to wander around the situation, Dora's going to be in an even worse place once Marten's mother finds out and brings her to the special dungeon.

Now, there's also another possible solution to all of this too...Marten proposes to Dora as a "I don't accept you wanting to break up and to prove it, marry me?"

Only time will tell

[DoubleJ]

Comic ~560 to comic 1799?  That's pretty damn good.

I dunno; that's an awful lot of drama to cram into a week and a half

[jwhouk]

Running away isn't the answer.

Running away is NEVER the answer.

Marten does need to grow a set and stand up for himself and the relationship.  I'm a quite literal person so if I was Marten and Dora said, as she did, "But I think we should call it quits." Isn't the same as saying it's over and is merely an opinion during an emotional state.  As another reader posted, the Faye thing is in Dora's head which is where Marten needs to go stating those things about not being jealous of Sven, helping Angus and Faye hook up and letting Dora move in.    

As for the porn thing and violation of privacy...that's always a tough one.  Couples shouldn't have secrets, but should respect each others privacy to a degree...then again, maybe that's just how I was raised being a 30-something person.  If Dora was really interested in seeing what porn Marten was into (I find it really odd that it hasn't come up before with half the stuff talked about in the strips), she should have said something along the lines of "Hey, I'd love to watch some of your porn with you" given him a wink, a grope and a spank on the ass.  

As my mind continues to wander around the situation, Dora's going to be in an even worse place once Marten's mother finds out and brings her to the special dungeon.

Now, there's also another possible solution to all of this too...Marten proposes to Dora as a "I don't accept you wanting to break up and to prove it, marry me?"

Only time will tell

Oh dear God...

[jordinyc]

(snip awesome edit)

I KNOW

I KNOW I'VE LET YOU DOWN

(jordinyc, I fucking love you for this)

Ha ha, and now that song is stuck in your head. .. or Hey Jude. .. Either way, you're welcome XD.

[sidpatt]

Now, there's also another possible solution to all of this too...Marten proposes to Dora as a "I don't accept you wanting to break up and to prove it, marry me?"

I honestly can say I do not know what is in store for tomorrow, but I would say it's either Marten sulking off or Marten growing a pair and fighting for this relationship because, in his mind, he sees the good in Dora and wants to help her through this (or some other characters interacting, but I doubt that pretty well). He's the "good guy," after all.

A marriage proposal would be pretty far out from him, and there was no indication whatsoever he'd even been thinking about it. He'd have talked about it with someone. He'd have been frugal for a bit, saving cash. I know we don't see these people for 24/7, but that'd be a pretty big thing for Jeph to skip out on. The look on Marten's face isn't "Oh my God, I was just about to propose tomorrow!", it's more "Oh my God, what in the hell is going wrong! It was just my computer!"

[Dliessmgg]

After reading today's strip, I'm not EVEN going to bother with pages 21-27 of this thread.

You wanna see Marten get some balls? You wanna see him "grow a pair"?

His next word (and so help me Jeph, you don't go this way, you might as well start putting him in a brown t-shirt that says "WELCOME" in big bright letters, because he's a DOORMAT) would be:

"GOOGLE IT"

What I read.

[Janxer]

Running away is NEVER the answer.

Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.

[LeeC]

Running away is NEVER the answer.

Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.

nah the answer would be a gun.

[Millennium]

I predict that the next comic will either have all lines spoken by Yelling Bird (most likely taunting us that we'll have to wait until Monday to see how this resolves) or will have no spoken lines at all.

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

(snip awesome edit)

I KNOW

I KNOW I'VE LET YOU DOWN

(jordinyc, I fucking love you for this)

Ha ha, and now that song is stuck in your head. .. or Hey Jude. .. Either way, you're welcome XD.

I have always wanted to see someone do "Komm, süsser Tod", "Hey Jude", and "Bohemian Rhapsody" in one massive orchestration somehow. 'Twould be either glorious or completely awful.

[MillionDollar Belt Sander]

Running away is NEVER the answer.

Unless you're being chased by a man with a knife.

nah the answer would be a gun.

Or a bigger knife.

[TheEvilDog]

Long time reader, first time poster, yadda, yadda, yadda.

I just want to say something very quickly, before I make a more detailed post later on (I need to think about what I'm going to write).

I liked Dora and Marten together, to me they made far more sense then Faye and Marten, so yeah, its kinda gut wrenching to see things turning out like that, and having been on both sides of the break up, I know how heart rending it can be. I honestly hope they can work things out, or at least come out a little stronger in the end.

On a slightly less serious note, am I the only one who looks at the last two panels of today's comic and hears Bart Simpson saying "You can actually pinpoint the second where his heart rips in half."?