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More than "NOT DORA"
Is it cold in here?:
Somebody with some push to her, who could break him out of his rut.
jwhouk:
--- Quote from: raoullefere on 15 Nov 2010, 20:01 ---Marten seems to be attracted to strong women, or at least women who seem strong. That's something Faye and Dora have in common—both seem like assertive, confident types until you dig just a little below the surface, at which point all hell breaks loose because something's very very wrong inside. I wonder if the girl Marten followed East is/was similar.
And why do I say that?: Because Veronica is also a strong woman, only, unlike Dora and Faye, a real one. It's fairly natural for Marten to look for that in the women he dates. I wonder if Dora and Marten really are quits, if how it went down in any way qualifies Dora for the Bosch treatment?
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I would PAY JEPH to go this way in the arc.
sirisaacnuton:
Hannelore.
Seriously. Would love to see that neurotic match up.
Arky:
--- Quote from: sirisaacnuton on 15 Nov 2010, 21:23 ---Hannelore.
Seriously. Would love to see that neurotic match up.
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I think no-envy-issues Dora and Marten would work best of all. Whether it can happen remains to be seen. He needs someone decisive (to counter his passivity but also supportive (so he can get what he wants, as well as supporting her). Dora provides the first without the second at the moment. Faye could provide both and I don't think he's completely over her, but she's over HIM. He's not right for Faye, he was to Faye what Angus was to Marigold. Hanners provides the second without the first but their dynamic actually makes Marten into the take-charge partner to her submissive part(in chemistry terms, an induced bond) so it can work for a while but probably not forever as Hanners gains confidence and needs more than Captain Starter Boyfriend :)
Xenmaru00:
To be honest after a while of looking at Dora and possibly being a fool by over-analyzing her character...she doesn't flow too well with Marten. Really though i find Marten has too many parallels to my own life so perhaps that colors my view. But to be a bit more descriptive; it's not her lack of confidence in herself that irks me. It's that she does-...well lets suffice to say it i guess she's a bit too real. She's not entirely broken, which is a major point in her favor, yet the parts that are her weaknesses, they're too blatant. Lack of self-confidence is a minor issue for most, and even when it's a major issue, when one has as much success and as caring friends as Dora does, usually one gathers the mental will to start fighting back. And if one cannot, usually they look for tools to assist them.
As far as has been seen, Dora has done none of this. She lashes out instantly at Marten for the slightest perceived detection, and then refuses to comprehend a situation like the latest comic shows. On top of which, this has happened multiple times previous, and only the latest time did someone step in and hand her her ass. But even that didn't seem to hold. Whether it is the fault of her surroundings, or the fault of herself, she believes that for her, an apology should be enough to fix a situation if she's apologizing, but she expects others to bend over backwards if they do something that upsets her. This, combined with the confidence issues, causes her to create a self-fulfilling prophecy in making herself alone. She doesn't think she's worth it, is shocked when someone else does, and so badly desires for nothing to separate her from that person, she lashes out the second she detects something that could. And once that happens, she goes into the mindset "i knew it wouldn't work, it never does and never will" which then "tricks" herself into feeling justified once that person leaves because of her own actions. it's a common mentality trait i've seen in multiple people, mostly women unfortunately, and i guess it irks me slightly to see it here as well.
Haha, you could say i like my fantasy stories to stay fantasy, you know? But that said, while Faye, and even Hannelore have their problems mentally, those two have had enough self-will and internal strength (and in Faye's case, a bit of external) to start chipping away at their problems. Dora, whom has enough external that logically should trigger an internal shift, doesn't. And thus far, nobody has seen fit to push, until Faye stepped in, but even then, just like i predicted to a friend of mine, the pattern started again: she was easily forgiven, her fears spiked up again, she settled back into her routine, pushing away what came before, and nobody kept the issue in circulation until it was no longer relevant. Today's issue further demonstrates the cycle by showing that upon mention of the issue, due to it happening during a current conflict, it did nothing to cow her and in fact did the opposite.
With all that analysis done, it's my strong belief due to the information shown, that Dora should not be with anyone until such a time as she has at least begun to gain control over this problem. As seen, Marten is patient, but...oddly like myself, he is most willing to help those who desire to help themselves. the words "I'm sick of your apologies" do not translate as Dora did to "i dont want you around anymore" but rather "i dont want you to have to apologize anymore".
In conclusion (geez what was this a bloody report?), my opinion is that comparing character traits and personalities with Marten's, at this point Dora is the most "messed up" of the characters. That said, she is not a compatible match for anyone, let alone Marten. Faye and Hannelore are both "messed up" as well, but both have taken steps to try to chip away at the root, thus are much better candidates, though Hannelore's unique mentality and issues wouldnt allow such a relationship. If that were to change, i can definitely see her with him, quite easily. As for Faye, they already have past chemistry, they play off one another very well, and their personalities mesh together quite nicely. Were Dora to chip away at or remove the source of her problems or at least take steps to weaken it (the problem here is she doesn't ever try) then she would hold a higher "rank" amongst the girls.
oh god i didn't rant too much did i? i'm a wordy bastard and i like to convey my information to allow people to understand my thoughts best.
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